There is no “genetic superiority” when it comes to distance running. Literally everyone sub 2:09 is just doping.

I'm just trying to follow your logic. Both Coe and Keino were accused of corruption -- they have that in common -- and here you are going on and on and on about corruption.

Corruption is also how someone can avoid criminal charges in the first place. Do you recall the global confusion in tabloid-land, with Dick Pound's carefully crafted double-negative, that Coe could not have not known, and then proceeded to say Coe is the best man for the job, as Diack was hauled away to the French criminal courts, and the IAAF proceeded to ban four other IAAF officials -- three for life and one for five years?

Coe and Keino have so much in common: friends in high places, accusations of corruption, but charges (criminal or otherwise) never brought to the justice system.

Oh "flannel". There's a throwback term I haven't heard in decades. Flannel is my favorite pyjama in winter, next to terrycloth. Do yours still button in the back?

What is your ancient mind not grasping with "most doping goes undetected - still"? As evidenced by the low quality busts only detectable from unsophisticated usage, Kenya is just not as good at hiding their doping as other non-African countries, ever since doping was "present" at the Olympics in 1956, and the IOC ramped up anti-doping.

Why do you keep forgetting that "doping" is "present" in "sport"? How can you not grasp the worldwide implications of that, implicating all countries and all sports as far back as WWII, or even as far back as the 1908 Olympics, when marathon participants took strychnine and champagne and wine? No country and no sport is immune to this immutable given. Don't you remember the BBC documentary on the 1988 Olympics, and your estimate of 80% doping in Seoul? Of course a doping-denier, which you are, conveniently forgets that doping is everywhere, and always has been.

And here you are again with "40% of "doping busts" in 2022". Really? As I have already shown you, Coe never said "doping busts", and Coe did not say "in 2022". Have you ever played "Chinese whispers" (or "telephone") and learned its lesson? If you keep getting all the small details wrong all the time, how can you ever restore your credibility?

What an absolutely meaningless post. Like most of yours. Of course you duck my question. World Athletics reported Kenya accounted for 40% figure of world doping busts - sorry, "doping positives"! - in 2022. It's a pretty black and white figure. Since you claim that figure is wrong what is the correct figure - and based on what criteria?

Furthermore, if it is wrong why hasn't it been corrected on your advice?

Not "in 2022" either.

I don't say 40% is wrong, but just that it means what the AIU says it means, with all the limitations that the AIU says should limit interpretation.

For example, the AIU says their testing figures are incomplete, not including tests "of the National and Regional Anti Doping Organisations (NADOs and RADOs)" and "that data is collated and published separately by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA)".

Your question cannot be answered until all of that data from the NADOs and RADOs is collected and published. This will be corrected in due time, without my advice.

The 40% figure is quite explicit: it is the proportion of total positive tests in the sport worldwide. You simply argue it doesn't mean what we think it does. I'll tell you what it means: Kenya is currently by far the worst doper in the sport, since no other country gets near their percentage of positive tests. You can supply no data that says otherwise.

I agreed with the 40% figure. The rest of your post is nonsense, as the AIU doesn't test the whole sport worldwide. The AIU explicitly says it is incomplete, but they didn't need to. They told us they target test just the elite athletes, letting the NADOs and RADOs do the rest of the sport.

Your comments are pretty funny I have to admit. So.... 40% of all elite athletes tested by the various agencies who achieve positive doping results are Kenyan long distance runners, right? Not good really, is it? Would you admit that is a high percentage? Would you admit that it is indicative of something... an Kenyan doping problem perhaps? I would image you don't.

Not "various agencies". This figure came from Coe, who can only speak on behalf of only one agency.

As I said above, and the AIU has said, we would first need to collect the data from all these other various agencies. WADA usually does that for ADRVs, but it usually takes a couple years.

Without complete data, it is just indicative of the AIU testing a lot of Kenyans, compared to the rest of the world, and some fraction of them testing positive.

I don't doubt Kenya has developed a doping problem in recent years.

Bullcr*p. The 40% figure is of the total positive doping tests in the sport over 2022. Neither Coe nor anyone else is saying - "oh, wait, there's a whole lot of other data to be collected". Are you so stupid as to think World Athletics wouldn't have access to a list of all the doping positives in the sport when it publishes the claim it made above?

What it means is that nearly one in two doping positives in the sport currently comes from one country - Kenya. But you will disappear up your own fundamental orifice to try to deny that - as you do with anything that shows doping.

Of course, you are trying to argue that the Kenyan doping problem will be far less than the 40% figure provided by World Athletics. But there is no data that shows that. And you are such a champion for "data".

Coe's comments were explicit:

"Over the course of one year, 40% of all the positives recorded [in doping tests] in global athletics are in Kenya. This was not something the sport, and certainly not World Athletics, was prepared to sit and develop.This is not a situation that is sustainable."

If there was other data that could either detract from or add to the 40% figure it isn't mentioned. He couldn't have made the claim that he did if such data existed. The 40% claim isn't about the extent of testing or even who does it, it is solely that of the doping positives recorded in the sport for 2022 40% were Kenyan. Fact. Nothing you say changes that. It is an appalling indictment of Kenyan running. But it is no surprise.

But just a tiny, weeny problem. Not a nearly one in two doping positives in the sport globally.

On the contrary, I'm arguing that the data is incomplete, because the AIU tells us that their testing data is both incomplete and does not from a statistically representative cross-section of sport.

When you say "there is no data that shows that", you are coming to my side of the argument.

The AIU does tells us there is a whole lot of other data, as they don't include NADOs and RADOs in their testing or annual reports.

Are you so stupid to think the World Athletics do have access to a list of all the doping positives in the sport? NADOs and RADOs share their results with WADA, not with the AIU or World Athletics.

World Athletics didn't publish any claim. Coe made the claim in a press conference, without much context.

Once again, he made the claim in November 2022, so it can't really be for the year 2022.

He made the claim at a press conference, so there is a lot about that 40% figure he didn't mention. That is the whole problem really. Let's get a detailed report in writing with more information about the data behind the 40% figure.

Of course he can make the claim for AIU testing, but there is no reason to think that World Athletics would already (or ever) possess the positive test data for 2022 for NADOs and RADOs world-wide.

"Appalling indictment" of "Kenyan" doping is not at issue. In 2019, using official figures from WADA, Kenya made up 12% of the analytical ADRVs. I find this already an appalling indictment of Kenyan doping.

Like you said, "not nearly one in two". In 2019, the ADRV percentage of Kenyans, using WADA's published data, was 12%. Are you suggesting that now, in 2022, this will be found to be 40%, and that the problem has not increased recently?

So Coe just made up 40% off the top of his head? You are ludicrous. None of the information about doping positives is the private property of the various antidoping agencies. If WADA has it then it is available to all. Nor is anyone waiting for doping results to come through months later. Coe is not such an idiot as to make a 40% claim that will really turn out - on the basis of yet to be obtained data - to be closer to your much preferred lower figure from 2019. All that shows is how much Kenyan doping has increased in 3 years.

40% in 2022 is higher than 12% in 2019. Testing has not increased 4-fold. Kenyan doping has increased and the more recent data shows it.

Your idiocy knows no ends. Not every single athlete is or can be tested every year - bit that does not make testing data "incomplete". What the 40% figure shows is that amongst the higher tier of athletes who are tested Kenya far outstrips any other nation for testing positives. No one has any interest in the occasional juiced hobby jogger. But more significantly, NO KENYAN AT AN OFFICIAL LEVEL DISPUTES THE 40% FIGURE. Your arguments are your fantasies.