2021 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion

Ray Treacy had the opportunity to hire someone he has worked with for the better half of a decade. He's also pretty good at his job. You don't think he could prepare Rocha to run part of his program in just four years in addition to her time as an athlete? A long term volunteer (especially if they are a countable coach) will know exactly what their director expects. Treacy doesn't need someone new telling him how he could do something differently. He needs another coach to serve as an extension of himself so he can return his attention to directing the program.

rayi123 wrote:

This board seems to be full of pathetic white dudes who can’t get a job. They make fun of anyone who’s not a D1 coach from their parents basement. I’ve coached many levels but was never happier than coaching D3 after years of chasing the dream I’m going back to D3. Judge me if you want I’ve always had a job! It’s not the black mans fault or a women’s fault your not working it’s yours!

I agree. Those not willing to do what it takes end up posting in this message board trying to take down others.

Let it go. Ray is notorious for having an assistant who just manages the walk ons. Don't let the title fool you. It's not her fault she was given an opportunity. Don't blame the coaches taking the jobs, blame the coaches hiring. Ray doesn't think anyone can find success in his program but himself.

Has OHIO University closed their process ?

Mike Scarn wrote:

https://friars.com/news/2021/6/3/mens-track-and-field-former-friar-catarina-braz-rocha-17-added-to-cross-country-track-field-staff.aspx

Just a small exampleFor those who don't read the story...she competed for Providence and was a volunteer coach for the program post-graduation, and now she is the Women's Head Track & Field Coach.

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Seems like the most specific kind of experience one could have. Volunteered and paid dues. Knows the program well, the athletes, and most importantly the trust is there between assistant and Director.

Probably the wrong hire to make this type of typical “unqualified female” post.

As a D1 coach who has lost out on jobs to under qualified, gender based hires I can say it truly does suck. The head coach here is clearly to blame and I can guarantee you have some superiority complex and wouldn’t want someone who maybe very knowledgeable and can stand on their own two in the same setting as him. It’s easier to have someone he’s prepared for this position and has always seen him as her superior so she will follow his lead without him having to worry about her challenging him(for now).

These type of coaching hires is whatever to me, lve figured out that in the end it’s best to be a stand alone coach I wouldn’t want this type of position so let those kids have it. I’ve seen that I have done a better job than these kids who just get thrown in it. Build yourself up, get a position where you’re the only distance coach, and make some stuff happen! You’ll never have to worry about landing a position after that.

Brown hire

https://brownbears.com/news/2021/6/18/womens-cross-country-track-field-adds-chappell-dick-to-staff-as-assistant-coach.aspx

Completely agree that it not her fault. I hope she does well! My point is that the people in position to make these hires are the problem. Isn't the title important when looking for future jobs? To say you were the Head Track & Field Coach at a D1 program holds weight. I guarantee there are plenty of experienced coaches out there who would willingly "manage walk-ons" for a year or two in order to now have that title next to their name. And that is part of the game. I just think it is duplicitous to say people can't be frustrated about these hires while at the same time saying these positions/titles don't really mean anything. They absolutely do mean something! And yes, it is on those applying for these jobs to do their part in making their qualifications stand out. But again, we all know that qualifications barely matter, so people need to quit saying applicants need to work harder.

The issue is that it’s only pointed out when it’s a woman or a minority. No one raises the question when it’s a white guy and that’s why people get mad when y’all point it out on here. There’s no difference between being hired because you cross a PR check box and being hired because your previous coach got you a job if you don’t have any experience. We have to have consistent standards for coaching.

Everyone in this stream will be saying the same when the VCU XC position is formally announced.

Agreed that we need to have consistent standards. The reason nobody brings it up when white guys get hired is because no one has ever been told that they weren't hired because a white guy had to get hired. I personally have been told on multiple occasions that even though I was very qualified for a particular job, they "had to go in a different direction." And each of those occurrences resulted in the hiring of a young female coach. No one will explicitly say they need to hire a female or minority, but we all know exactly what they mean when we are given that explanation.

If who you know is what gets you jobs, fine. Then it is at least a somewhat level playing field. It is up to each individual to network and get his/her name out there. But, if genetics are going to be what gets some people jobs but not other people, then we have an issue.

Minoritiy Hires wrote:

Everyone in this stream will be saying the same when the VCU XC position is formally announced.

About who the hire was?

They are equal in my eyes. Who you know can result in just as many unqualified hires as someone being a minority or female. Let's stop acting like that isn't the case and trying to make it apples to oranges. It isn't.

Consistent standards? No thanks. Coaches should be able to hire whoever the heck they want. If they think this person will do a good job then great go ahead and hire them. Just because a bunch of people on letsrun are complaining about not getting jobs doesn't mean we need to start adding guidelines to control us and our profession. There is no reason to establish specific guidelines for the hiring process. The best candidate a lot of times doesn't have the best credentials and they shouldn't be deterred because of a hard line drawn in the sand by some weird entity that you guys are hoping for. No thanks.

And I know you guys are going to say that administration's mandate specific demographics to be hired, however those people have been losing out to us white people for years and we are just getting a taste of our own medicine. Frustrating, isn't it?

You can either complain about it or try to better yourself and earn a position the tough way. Have a problem with it? Ask them how they've been stopped from getting good jobs in the past.

Dodge City (NJCAA) Asst Coach

https://workforcenow.adp.com/mascsr/default/mdf/recruitment/recruitment.html?cid=fb38771a-5afe-4371-bf51-3936ebb49ef7&ccId=19000101_000001&type=JS&lang=en_US

Same here man it’s happened to me a few times. One time the guy flat out told me(could have been just pandering) that I was the best person for the job and would love to hire me but needs to hire a female. He seemed sincerely sorry. Female lasted one year, and hasn’t produced anything since. But I do agree this needs to be addressed in all aspects. There’s definitely been some males hired because they’re the former athlete of the head coach, but more often than not said male had some kind of coaching experience even if it wasn’t much at all. Either way needs to fair across the board.

Any movement with Iowa, Kstate, Purdue, Penn, Liberty, Army, and NDSU. These are pretty big jobs that have been open for quite sometime now. Odd to not see any rumors circulating. HCs just playng everything closer to the chest now?

WinnytheBish wrote:

rayi123 wrote:

This board seems to be full of pathetic white dudes who can’t get a job. They make fun of anyone who’s not a D1 coach from their parents basement. I’ve coached many levels but was never happier than coaching D3 after years of chasing the dream I’m going back to D3. Judge me if you want I’ve always had a job! It’s not the black mans fault or a women’s fault your not working it’s yours!

I agree. Those not willing to do what it takes end up posting in this message board trying to take down others.

Also agree. D1-only people have low self-esteem and need validation from being associated with name schools and wearing gear. They don't make significantly more $$, they have less job security, they have more travel demand with recruiting and their long-term quality of life is not as good. Its sad to see coaches in their late 20's and 30's who are still wrapped up in instagram credibility like a high school sophomore.

Grow up please wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

I agree. Those not willing to do what it takes end up posting in this message board trying to take down others.

Also agree. D1-only people have low self-esteem and need validation from being associated with name schools and wearing gear. They don't make significantly more $$, they have less job security, they have more travel demand with recruiting and their long-term quality of life is not as good. Its sad to see coaches in their late 20's and 30's who are still wrapped up in instagram credibility like a high school sophomore.

They do make significantly more. The recruiting is far easier, the budget for travel is bigger, and the facilities are way ahead. Don’t kid yourself.