Upcoming War in Iran?

My point is simple in relation to broken promises regarding American troops. I see it as part of a trend of the sitting President. I struggle to know what his supporters stand for except unconditional support for him. I find that level of support for any politician as odd.

On 29 December 2019, the United States conducted airstrikes against Kata'ib Hezbollah's positions in Iraq and Syria, reportedly killing at least 25 militiamen and wounding 55 more. The U.S. Department of Defense said the operation was in retaliation for repeated attacks on Iraqi military bases hosting Operation Inherent Resolve (OIR) coalition forces, particularly the 27 December 2019 attack on a Kirkuk airbase that left an American civilian contractor dead.

Kata'ib Hizbollah, a Shi'ite Muslim militia which has links to Iran,[4] has denied responsibility for the attacks.

So a terror group for once DENIES it carried out an attack, rather than claiming it like they usually do, the US says no no it was you and then carries out a huge retaliation attack which starts this tit for tat behaviour until the US killed a General.

Iran the aggressor?

LMAOOOOO

You believe Hezbollah over our own military intelligence? This is what I meant about Trump breaking folk's brains.

I think it’s pretty safe to say that people will die either way.

The difference now is that they won’t die because of Soleimani’s efforts.

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Also crunchyinmilk I’m 80% sure Ciro is a trash AI and/or an Anti-Trump shill making $.04/repetitive post. It’s like he’s barely treading the Turing Test water.

Don’t forget that Trump has been very measured in not responding to following incidents in the past year:

1. Iran shooting down one of our drones.

2. Bombing an oil tanker.

3. Arming Houthis

4. Firing rockets on a Saudi refinery (by proxy or directly)

5. Threatening to attack freighters

... this is just off the top of my head.

But yeah, it’s better to Benghazi than retaliate against aggression.

And in true form Ciro literally cannot extricate who is acting or why they’re acting— no matter the gravity of the situation— when that actor is Trump.

Yada yada 3500 troops and who could possibly support a President.

I don’t know who track Al is nor am I making money for this :)

Just offering an opinion.

What is it that upsets you so much about me pointing out trumps broken promises?

If I called Bush and Obama out for it, I will call Trump out for it too.

Iranians know their history. Iranians know Norman Schwarzkopf Senior was C.I.A. man on the ground who financed and initiated the coup in Iran to overthrow the elected Mohammed Mosaddegh, 1953. C.I.A. placed in their Boy King, Shah of Iran. He did not hold power the entire time, but 1978ish, he was Ruler of Iran held in place by C.I.A. You have to think! Iranians did not rise up against U.S. for no reason. Iran did not start this. After events, 1979-1980, C.I.A. financed Saddam Hussein to fight a war against Iran. Since Iran-Iraq fought a war roughly from 1981 to 1988, Iran used their proxies to attack those in U.S. During that war, U.S. personnel were kidnapped and some were killed. Iran did not start this.

You know nothing about Iran. You should really learn more, perhaps by spending time in that region, hopefully on the front line if there is a war. You'll learn first hand about the Great Peace Maker, The Ayatollah.

ex-runner wrote:

Iran the aggressor?

LRC, land of the weak and traitorous!

it's always unexpected wrote:

Iran did not start this.

Ciro wrote:

doot doot wrote:

Don’t forget that Trump has been very measured in not responding to following incidents in the past year:

1. Iran shooting down one of our drones.

2. Bombing an oil tanker.

3. Arming Houthis

4. Firing rockets on a Saudi refinery (by proxy or directly)

5. Threatening to attack freighters

... this is just off the top of my head.

But yeah, it’s better to Benghazi than retaliate against aggression.

And in true form Ciro literally cannot extricate who is acting or why they’re acting— no matter the gravity of the situation— when that actor is Trump.

Yada yada 3500 troops and who could possibly support a President.

What is it that upsets you so much about me pointing out trumps broken promises?

It's pedantic. It's how children think and you contribute nothing. Not like "I disagree with you" so I'll strawman/diminish your points... I mean like actual nothing. The sort of nothing that is indistinguishable from a trash AI programmed to aggregate AP/newswire facts into blog articles, etc.

Also Trump's promise to who? You didn't vote for him. Robots can't vote. His base, who you probably deride for being beneath you in terms of intelligence, can tell the (functional) difference between what is happening right now and the protracted wars of the Bush Administration, to which Trump was referring.

But when you're-- you, specifically-- are operating a neural network with the computing power of an analog microwave then it's easy to see how even a single troop deployed to the Middle East is totally a broken campaign promise. One is greater than zero. Checkmate.

I get it. The Democrats and the media have been promising justice to the American people forever and just when you thought Trump was done for he slithers away unscathed. Scandal after scandal. Crime after crime. There is no justice anymore. It’s hard to tell what’s fact and fiction. One thing is for sure: Orange Man Bad.

This time you got him Ciro. He lied about sending troops to the Middle East. There’s no way he gets away with it this time.

*** someone registered doot doot lol, it’s been a good run ***

Hmmmm.

Far from his only broken promise. Hillary isn’t behind bars, Obamacare has not been repealed and replaced, Mexico haven’t paid for the wall, Trump hasn’t shown you his taxes and he hasn’t eradicated the deficit or expected fiscal conservatism.

So yes you are correct, he didn’t lie to me, he lied to those who voted for him, you seem okay with that. He can do a 180 on his campaign promises and you pivot like a puppet.

Anyway, Tucker Carlson of all people - “Washington has wanted war with Iran for decades”

https://news.yahoo.com/tucker-carlson-comes-against-trump-012924479.html

And while it’s easy for you to be glib and claim that increasing military involvement by even a single person means he’s breaking his promise, that isn’t the reality. We are talking about thousands of American troops and the impact it has on them and their families. Obviously backing a New York elite, a former reality TV personality is more important to you, but not everyone.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2019-12-03/trump-didnt-shrink-us-military-commitments-abroad-he-expanded-them

You seem very angry, triggered even.

Today alone 3,500 American troops. That’s a lot more than one.

3,500 > 1.

Hope that helps.

SimperingCowards wrote:

LRC, land of the weak and traitorous!

it's always unexpected wrote:

Iran did not start this.

Even a nut like you does not disagree with me. You pulled your favorite sentence out of my paragraph. You commented not on the rest of the paragraph. By default, you agree with all facts I stated. Anyone who does not agree with you is a traitor? You sound like disgraced U.S. Senator Joe McCarthy, WI.

Why not deal with the points that are clearly made instead of spending a lot of time attacking the poster?

If you can’t dismantle the points fine but it is a waste of time if you just insult people online. Makes ya look kinda stupid fella.

Some of you remind me of this goon, STILL holding a Hillary for prison sign three years after Trump took office ???

He’ll likely never figure it out.

SimperingCowards wrote:

You know nothing about Iran. You should really learn more, perhaps by spending time in that region, hopefully on the front line if there is a war. You'll learn first hand about the Great Peace Maker, The Ayatollah.

ex-runner wrote:

Iran the aggressor?

I made a very long post about the military history of Soleimani, I recommend you read it. Everyone calling him a terrorist who made IEDs have actually no idea about middle Eastern politics and the US involvement.

USA backed and worked with Soleimani from the beginning, helping the side he supported put Ayatollah Khomeini take power.

He fought the Taliban, Al-Qaida, ISIL, ISIS, drug trafficking alongside the USA. Helped the US extensively in the Iraq war with intelligence and military strategy.

However he supported the Syrian government and helped them to crush the rebels trying to overthrow them, who were supported by the USA. Now he's a terrorist.

The propaganda about IEDs is based on mixed evidence at best.

The politics changed over the years and the US Government considered him a problem so branded a foreign Army as a terrorist group:

In April 2019, the U.S. made the decision to designate the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), a foreign military, as a foreign terrorist organization by the State Department under an immigration statute and their maximum pressure campaign. This designation was done over the opposition of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the Department of Defense (DoD).

In 2018 Soleimani was branded a terrorist by Saudi Arabia for supporting the other side to them in the Yemeni region. The side the Saudis support is also supported by the USA, UK and Al-Qaida. Several Saudi airstrikes are understood to be war crimes and killed hundreds of civilians including children. They have helped expand the power of ISIL in the region.

But apparently that doesn't make the Saudis, USA or UK terrorists...

It's politics. Anyone who believes there is righteousness in politics is a fool. Soleimani was on a different side to the USA in the latest wars.

Hardloper wrote:

trollism wrote:

So you don't see anything shady here?

Supreme court justice surprisingly retiring and his son signed off on loans amounting to over $700m to Trump after he'd been cut off due to bankruptcy. 2 others in that department have since gone the same way as Epstein.

Also, who paid all Kavanaugh's debts prior to him taking his seat ($1.5m worth)?

I appreciate you're deep in the cult, but you've got to admit it's all a bit odd?

Leaving aside the fact that Justice Kennedy was 82 and many people (obviously not you) knew he was planning to retire, isn't Trump the one who owed him a favor? Doesn't make any sense.

CEO of Russia's biggest bank just landed in Fort Lauderdale in the dead of night.

Interesting timing all round, don't you think?

Stop. Just Stop. Had the US worked indirectly and coordinated /w third party groups with forces allied with Soleimani? Yes. Just b/c Soleimani fought Taliban and ISIS doesnt make him our friend. The Middle East is a hot mess.

Was Soleimani a "friend" to the US? No. In the 1980s Soleimani coordinated w Hezbollah under Mughniyeh, who had killed more Americans that any Islamo-terrorist leader before bin Laden. Since 1990s he helped arm proxies t/o Middle East, led to 100s of Americans being killed.

And BTW Soleimani worked /w bin Laden and AQ, OK'd the movement and safekeeping of key Al Qaeda leaders incl 2 of old school Egyptian AQ leaders behind 1998 US Embassy attacks in East Africa - Saif al Adel and Abu Muhammad al Masri. Those guys, others directed AQ attacks from Iran - like the Saudi Arabia hotel attack and supported al-Zarqawi, AQ during US-Iraq War

Soleimani deserved what he got. Make no mistake. Bad guy. That being said, Trump ordering this now was colossally reckless and by all indications it was ordered by a POTUS who doesn't think about consequences of his actions.

Iran wont respond itself, but could through its proxies. Hezbollah and Shia militia proxies of Iran are much more likely to respond by targeting Americans in Middle East, service members and contractors and even civilians. I would not want to be myself or have family, friends there now.