Ghost1 wrote:
Interesting to note that if Yuki Kawauchi had ran, he probably would have been beaten by Gidey.
Peds or no Peds, this performance by Gidey was one of the best if not the best by a female in this sport.
She trains full time and is paid a lot of money to just run. Kawauchi is an amateur who works full time and trains on the side in his spare time . In most professions I would expect a full time pro to be considerably better at their professional activity than an amateur.
Kawauchi is a pro for almost an year and showed no real signs of improvement lately. And seeing the stats, the course was pretty tough. My estimate is roughly 2-3s/km comparing to a really flat course, frightening.
It's true, but the same does apply to all current performances, i.e Kipchoge, Bekele, Kosgei, Hassan, Jepkosgei.
The weather was perfect in Nijmegen, and he had a personal pacemaker until the 9th km, then she chased men but without being in their slipstream at any point.
I think she can run 30-40" faster at 15km on a very flat course and in the same weather conditions.
A 44'20" 15k is 2'57"33/km which is 1:02:22 HM pace. It's not absurd to think Gidey on a pancake flat course like Valencia or Berlin would be able to hold this pace for another 6km. Even on sunday, on the Zevenheuvelenloop course, if she had to run a half instead of a 15k, i believe she would have ran under 1:04, no doubt, and with more specific training, closer to 1:03 flat.
If she keeps this going, Gidey will break the HM world record whenever she decides to make her debut, even in bad weather. I would not be surprised if she decides to run a spring Half as strength preparations for her track season. RAK half/Lisbon/Prague/Berlin half would be the fastest, and i believe under the right conditions, she can slash more than 2 minutes from the current WR by Jepkosgei.
Remember the name folks, at this rate Letesenbet Gidey is on it's path to become the GOAT female distance runner. She can be the first woman to run a half at under 3:00/km pace and a marathon at under 5:00/mile pace.
Now she will be favourite in any event she takes part in the range of 5,000m - Half Marathon (which is crazy, assuming she is yet to make her debut). She will be very tough to beat in the 3,000m too, and very decent in 1500-mile. Hassan has to up her game if she wants to defeat Gidey again in 5,000-10,000, maybe so much she would need to be in WR shape to even have a real chance...
This being said, i expect another WR to go down very soon. Joshua Cheptegei, who is also a NN Running Team member, guided by Jurrie Van Der Velden and Addy Ruiter, also part of Jos Hermens' team. He will go for the road 10k WR in Valencia, and with the right weather conditions, he can run closer to 26:30.
Looking forward to next year. We'll see some really fast times, because Gidey has to take it up early to crack Hassan. Now she knows she's capable and must feel really confident.
She must have been really pissed losing to Hassan while being clean. Then she went back to Ethiopia and thought if Hassan got from an also ran to a world beater, if i take the same drugs then i can become the best female athlete ever and even compete with the men!! Less than 2 months later, oops, drugs really really worked, she finishes 16th in the open category, at the most prestigious 15k road race in the world.
What I noticed is that her back kick was very high. It seemed higher than when she runs the 5000m or 10000m on the track (even though she was running for much longer). I assume that her shoes are helping here.
Why hasn't letsrun covered her race? It's arguably one of the most remarkable long distance running performances of all time.
colorunner123 wrote:
Why hasn't letsrun covered her race? It's arguably one of the most remarkable long distance running performances of all time.
Because then they'd have to admit that this extremely beautiful lady is not only faster than the site founders but is gorgeous as well. In general men hate being one-upped by a woman in an athletic event but make it a beautiful woman and the hate is 10 times stronger...
https://www.athleticsweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Letesenbet-Gidey.jpgcolorunner123 wrote:
Why hasn't letsrun covered her race? It's arguably one of the most remarkable long distance running performances of all time.
Because nobody ever expected such a breakthrough performance. By statistics and IAAF tables, it is the best women's long distance performance of all time. Also it's on par with Bekele's 5000-10000m records, Kipchoge's marathon WR. It's the quivalent of a 57:40 half and 2:01:30 marathon.
Mzungu in Iten , when we discuss about something like Gidey incredible performance in last sunday 15KM is hard to say things that have common sense. If we consider that performance we are in front of the greatest ever performance by any runner present and past. 2'57/km for 15km on that type of course is something that transcend any logic.
If she has that potential why in Doha in 10000 she didnt win. You cant compare the Hassan to Gidey are two different level
Hassan never break 1:05 in the half. Gidey with last Sunday performance is a 1:03 half marathoner. In Doha she could have just go at 2'53-2'55/km and leave Hassan behind and win the race easily. . Because she 's another level. in the Diamond league in London 5000 Gidey she wasnt able to finish near the first runners (Hassan won the race) she was sick? How few months later you can run at 2'57 on the seven hills race in Holland. ?
Where is Gidey in this race?
Yes, London was an exception, she felt ill just a few days before the race.
In Doha she didn't believe she had this in her, and was afraid to take it to Hassan early and left it too late. Hassan was never going to be beaten in the last 1500m off a moderate pace, same in Brussels DL Final.
After Doha, Gidey understood her only chance to win big is to burn them all off, so this race in Nijmegen was a try out to see how fast she really is. The rest is history.
Bluesky wrote:
Mzungu in Iten , when we discuss about something like Gidey incredible performance in last sunday 15KM is hard to say things that have common sense. If we consider that performance we are in front of the greatest ever performance by any runner present and past. 2'57/km for 15km on that type of course is something that transcend any logic.
If she has that potential why in Doha in 10000 she didnt win. You cant compare the Hassan to Gidey are two different level
Hassan never break 1:05 in the half. Gidey with last Sunday performance is a 1:03 half marathoner. In Doha she could have just go at 2'53-2'55/km and leave Hassan behind and win the race easily. . Because she 's another level. in the Diamond league in London 5000 Gidey she wasnt able to finish near the first runners (Hassan won the race) she was sick? How few months later you can run at 2'57 on the seven hills race in Holland. ?
Where is Gidey in this race?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld245V6VOPQ
Very good points here. This performance makes no sense. People who are trying to justify how silly this performance is are blind. Even if people claim she was not feeling well in the race you mention, she still felt fine enough to show up to the start lines and ran a time that would be otherwise respectable for any woman who is not able to run 44:20 for 5K.
Do people really believe that she literally ran final 5k in a 15k faster than one of her time-trial 5000m race earlier in the season? If you can justify this, you can justify anything.
CDA wrote:
Bluesky wrote:
Mzungu in Iten , when we discuss about something like Gidey incredible performance in last sunday 15KM is hard to say things that have common sense. If we consider that performance we are in front of the greatest ever performance by any runner present and past. 2'57/km for 15km on that type of course is something that transcend any logic.
If she has that potential why in Doha in 10000 she didnt win. You cant compare the Hassan to Gidey are two different level
Hassan never break 1:05 in the half. Gidey with last Sunday performance is a 1:03 half marathoner. In Doha she could have just go at 2'53-2'55/km and leave Hassan behind and win the race easily. . Because she 's another level. in the Diamond league in London 5000 Gidey she wasnt able to finish near the first runners (Hassan won the race) she was sick? How few months later you can run at 2'57 on the seven hills race in Holland. ?
Where is Gidey in this race?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld245V6VOPQVery good points here. This performance makes no sense. People who are trying to justify how silly this performance is are blind. Even if people claim she was not feeling well in the race you mention, she still felt fine enough to show up to the start lines and ran a time that would be otherwise respectable for any woman who is not able to run 44:20 for 5K.
Do people really believe that she literally ran final 5k in a 15k faster than one of her time-trial 5000m race earlier in the season? If you can justify this, you can justify anything.
You are all forgetting that she ran the London 5k diamond league race shortly after winning the 10km Ethiopian trials in the Netherlands.
CDA wrote:
Do people really believe that she literally ran final 5k in a 15k faster than one of her time-trial 5000m race earlier in the season? If you can justify this, you can justify anything.
Ugh...yeah because the splits kinda indicate that...It's verifiable and doesn't take an act of faith. She LITERALLY ran it.
Hill Run wrote:
You are all forgetting that she ran the London 5k diamond league race shortly after winning the 10km Ethiopian trials in the Netherlands.
Yeah, it must have been harder to run 14:51 two days after running 30:37 than running ca. 29:40 and 14:40 WITHOUT a break!
Why did she let Hassan win easily in Doha? In 29:30 (or rather 29:00) shape she should have put on pressure much earlier than 4 laps before the end.
Ayana in Rio, Dibaba in several races, Hassan in Doha and the new Marathon WR were already suspicious. But all this was child's play compared to a 15k road race equivalent to ca. 8:00, sub 14 and sub 29, i.e. considerably better than incredible and often highly suspicious WRs.
mathexcellence wrote:
colorunner123 wrote:
Why hasn't letsrun covered her race? It's arguably one of the most remarkable long distance running performances of all time.
Because nobody ever expected such a breakthrough performance. By statistics and IAAF tables, it is the best women's long distance performance of all time. Also it's on par with Bekele's 5000-10000m records, Kipchoge's marathon WR. It's the quivalent of a 57:40 half and 2:01:30 marathon.
Not just women's long distance....ANY distance! It outscores even FLojo's debunked 10.49 wind-aided 100.
Clown World performance. This next year is going to be WWE taken to the roads.
Jo72 wrote:
Hill Run wrote:
You are all forgetting that she ran the London 5k diamond league race shortly after winning the 10km Ethiopian trials in the Netherlands.
Yeah, it must have been harder to run 14:51 two days after running 30:37 than running ca. 29:40 and 14:40 WITHOUT a break!
Why did she let Hassan win easily in Doha? In 29:30 (or rather 29:00) shape she should have put on pressure much earlier than 4 laps before the end.
Ayana in Rio, Dibaba in several races, Hassan in Doha and the new Marathon WR were already suspicious. But all this was child's play compared to a 15k road race equivalent to ca. 8:00, sub 14 and sub 29, i.e. considerably better than incredible and often highly suspicious WRs.
Yes but the psychology of track racing is very different to a deliberate attempt to break a road record in a mixed pace with male pacers. Now she has clearly demonstrated the ability to run exceptionally fast over a long distance all alone (initially paced by males, and subsequently targeting those ahead of her to keep her pace going) we should see her adopt an Ayana style of track running. - Gidey and Ayana are strikingly similar, long striding with great rhythmic form but relatively poor at tempo changes to finish off races. Additionally Gidey has come of age this year, at 21 she already has a great back catalogue of diverse racing wins across cross country, road, and track.
I’m not saying she’s not doping (who can ever claim knowledge of that) but remember in East Africa everyone aspires to be a runner and this combined with women now emerging from culturally restrictive domestic roles, has given rise to far more female talent being realised and nurtured to full potential than ever before. - why then should we be surprised that records are tumbling? - At best running is a minor sport in the west, so the breadth of talent on show is only a trickle of what is aspiring within Ethiopia.
colorunner123 wrote:
Why hasn't letsrun covered her race? It's arguably one of the most remarkable long distance running performances of all time.
She'll be busted by the biopassport next year. brojos are smart enough to not go wild over this.
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
Because then they'd have to admit that this extremely beautiful lady is not only faster than the site founders but is gorgeous as well. In general men hate being one-upped by a woman in an athletic event but make it a beautiful woman and the hate is 10 times stronger...
https://www.athleticsweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Letesenbet-Gidey.jpg
El K, you need to take a cold shower.
And get some serious psychiatric help soon.
