COLEMAN WILL COMPETE AT WORLDS (Even though he had 3 whereabout failures in the last year)

Kevin Hadsell wrote:

Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:

I still think he should sue for damages. Per USADA/WADA rules, he had no reason to be sanctioned and now his reputation has been damaged.

In order for him to sue for damages, he would have to prove he suffered some sort of recoverable losses. He didn’t lose any sponsors or income. People may second guess him but they can always argue that he did miss three tests so they didn’t lie. Libel and slander are tough to prove if he hasn’t lost anything of value (recoverable).

Not to mention, he’s a public figure and there is more leeway for the press to cover his life than a private citizen.

What about the Diamond League final he missed out on?

Has he had any expenses with lawyers from this?

It's true USADA didn't lie, but they sanctioned him when they shouldn't have due to not understanding their own rules.

Here's the thing most people don't get in a situation like this. If you don't follow USADA/WADA's rules you can lose your ability to work for 2+ years. Now before that voice in your head says "yeah but Coleman DIDN'T follow their rules!" Yes, he actually has because they did not execute well due to the fact they were late to collect his sample. My point here is that if athletes don't follow the rules they can get in a lot of trouble. However, if USADA doesn't follow their own rules they get in no trouble at all? That's pathetic. Someone ought to be out of work for at least 2+ years for messing this one up. They literally don't even know their own rules. It's a disgrace. I'm sure they are embarrassed.

More than anything this is USADA looking like complete amateurs.

This whole thing reeks to me. If he wasn't where he said he would be on his whereabouts forms when they came to test him that is a whereabouts violation and the date should be that date. If he hadn't filed any whereabouts for the quarter or was missing days or the quarter was incomplete that is a filing violation and of course is dated on the first day of the testing quarter. If an athlete hasn't filed their quarter correctly the process online shows this and he would have known at the time. This is outright "lets bend the meaning of the wording to suit us and hope USADA fall for it" Or even worse, USADA decided to confuse the wording when approaching WADA for clarification, and they agreed to something non factual. Here is the thing, if you are not where you stated you would be when they show up that has to be a whereabouts failure, otherwise every single athlete can claim every single time, that they just didn't get the time to update and it was only a filing problem and the whereabouts becomes totally irrelevant, that is bullshit. USADA you suck

Good Luck With That wrote:

Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:

I still think he should sue for damages. Per USADA/WADA rules, he had no reason to be sanctioned and now his reputation has been damaged.

Mamadou Sakho is suing WADA for €14.5m

How is this one going?

I’m no lawyer but I have experience in this area as a journalist and having been both owner of a publication and as a national radio host. It’s always a topic of discussion.

I totally get that it looks bad for everyone involved. If I were to guess, He would potentially be able to recover DL at the most. However, their defense in a libel/slander case is the truth. They didn’t lie about him. It’s unfortunate and embarrassing at the most. Since this all happened so quickly he didn’t lost much and they are going out of their way to say he’s cleared. I wouldn’t think he could sue but this is ‘Murica...haha.

One minute late, how long did he leave them at the door for after they rang?? just saying. Was this one minute late the time they recorded on their forms after entering the premises, finding a chair to sit and setting up all the testing equipment and then getting out their paper work? cos that is how it works.

Coleman has a very good lawyer... that is it. He had 3 whereabouts violations but his lawyers have managed to wangle all sorts of twisted stories to get him off on the most ridiculous reasons. I dare any other athlete not ranked no 1 in the world to try it.

Kevin Hadsell wrote:

I’m no lawyer but I have experience in this area as a journalist and having been both owner of a publication and as a national radio host. It’s always a topic of discussion.

I totally get that it looks bad for everyone involved. If I were to guess, He would potentially be able to recover DL at the most. However, their defense in a libel/slander case is the truth. They didn’t lie about him. It’s unfortunate and embarrassing at the most. Since this all happened so quickly he didn’t lost much and they are going out of their way to say he’s cleared. I wouldn’t think he could sue but this is ‘Murica...haha.

I'm sure it won't be worth CC's time to sue them, but USADA does stuff like this all too often, leaking information of a non-negative A sample before the B sample has been tested for instance. They don't play by their own rules and that's what is so frustrating about it.

Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:

BigTimeRetiredCoach wrote:

Concentric, do you still think Coleman should sue USADA for staining his reputation, or do you wish you had waited for all the information to be laid out?

I still think he should sue for damages. Per USADA/WADA rules, he had no reason to be sanctioned and now his reputation has been damaged.

John' Gotti's lawyer agrees with you.

Fully agree. ^^

Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:

I would still contend Coleman should be suing USADA. He was not allowed a chance to win the final diamond league meet.

You don't sue over the rules of a sport... unless you have absolutely no class, that is

Subway Surfers wrote:

LoneStarXC wrote:

Clown show!

+1

A mate of mine just did the WCs standard and the first thing I said to him (other than congratulations) was if the testers turn up, don't answer ?

Too funny! ?

Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:

More than anything this is USADA looking like complete amateurs.

A convenient way to let another cheat off the hook. Beef eating, kissing, a tester arriving at 7:55 but starting the procedure at 8:01 - USADA prefers to look like idiots over banning some of its favorites. I guess this is to be expected when Americans control which American may compete for international glory. Expected but still sad.

I hope Coleman and Gatlin get booed out of the stadium.

Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:

I would still contend Coleman should be suing USADA. He was not allowed a chance to win the final diamond league meet.

Brilliant! Coleman likely paid up to them who knows how much to get his missed test retroactively changed to a filing failure technicality, and now would have the chutzpah to sue them over it! He should be happy of his company among crooks, and leave it at that.

Probably his missing the last DL was part of the omerta deal as backroom punishment. Plus, with them ramping up the tests to 6 in just 2 months, the juice wouldn't be loose, as they say. Maybe he preferred this to faking an injury.

dudes

with a cell phone you can track your location at all times.

the athlete can be called.

there is no excuse what so ever for 3 missed tests.

that is if the system has any intregity and logic.

still, the focus now is on drugs that don't test.

ped testing is a farce.

if they brought bolt down.

they bring the whole sport down

so it's a charade.

legalize.

As he resides & trains in Kentucky and Tennessee, I can see him exploiting late-changes to whereabouts vis-a-vis time zone differentials (both States have 2 TZs). Whereabouts initally says he'll be at a Central time zone location from 5pm-6pm, then sometime after midday, he changes it to a locale Eastern time zone from 5pm-6pm, and the DCO loses an hour trying to play catch-up. Or at the very least it's confusing enough (to USADA, or at least LRC) that his lawyer can make an issue of it. Just remember this post, when it happens.

Barca wrote:

Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:

More than anything this is USADA looking like complete amateurs.

A convenient way to let another cheat off the hook. Beef eating, kissing, a tester arriving at 7:55 but starting the procedure at 8:01 - USADA prefers to look like idiots over banning some of its favorites. I guess this is to be expected when Americans control which American may compete for international glory. Expected but still sad.

I hope Coleman and Gatlin get booed out of the stadium.

Maybe you're right and it's easy because nobody takes the blame publicly at USADA. It's just "USADA", not a person that is made to look like a fool publicly.

Still another doping cycle before Worlds? wrote:

Probably his missing the last DL was part of the omerta deal as backroom punishment. Plus, with them ramping up the tests to 6 in just 2 months, the juice wouldn't be loose, as they say. Maybe he preferred this to faking an injury.

Yes, and currently no testing, so a huge win for us at worlds. If he runs a 9.68, I'll be laughing so hard.

Read the actual rules; learn the difference between : missed test,filing failure and whereabouts violation.

You are not alone Usada did not grasp it all.

They then had it pointed out to them and then had to back track by saying that they would follow a different interpretation for uniformity.ie we got it wrong but won’t admit it.

When the chief anti-doping body screws up a case like this, through a failure to understand how the rules work, it utterly undermines any confidence in their ability to take on the dopers. Massive own goal for the USADA. Dopers win again.