Semenya wins in court, is able to race all distances without lowering her testosterone

I still love that her last name is semen yaaaaaaaaaa

Most people don't understand the issue. They think semenya is being penalized because she produces too much testosterone. Apparently not even the judges understand what 46XY DSD means.

rojo wrote:

Simple wrote:

In track and field why not call the men’s division the open division.

Then have a restricted division based on people who are XY with a limited testosterone level. Call it the restricted division.

The division would be like a weight class in boxing or wrestling. No moralizing of who is a woman or not. It would be who is eligible for that division based on the criteria of the restricted division.

I see people on social media who are so stuck on the label men or women that they lose the purpose of having a restricted division.

Great idea (exept you got confused with xy and xx). That's what we do. Just have an open division and an XX division.

Better:

An open women's category

An open men's category

minong wrote:

The IAAF will be able to appeal, but no doubt a victory for her.

http://www.702.co.za/articles/350639/swiss-court-suspends-iaaf-rules-barring-caster-semenya

It's a brilliant move.

Let the IAAF move to another country.

Let's see who will take them in.

Absolutely brilliant.

I will be rooting for the IAAF. It's an unfair advantage that very few competitors have, and it makes a large impact at that level of competition.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Pumpkin Ass wrote:

The Swiss are only good at making watches and chocolate. Why should they have a say in this matter? These people should be ashamed of themselves. Tough scene.

Ever hear of knives?

Then again, their army is notoriously afraid to fight in wars.

The pope likes them

Armstronglivs wrote:

hmmmmhmmmmm wrote:

If they are women, and it's a womens event, they should be able to compete. If it's an event based on XY or whatever, then that's fine also as long as they match that. All based on the legal definitions.

46XY, same as all the men on the planet; testes - like all the men; male levels of testosterone; no ovaries and no womb - just like all the men. So, explain again how such an athlete fits the female category for sports?

Still not convinced Semenya wasn't born an hermaphrodite and had "corrective" surgery in infancy.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Pumpkin Ass wrote:

The Swiss are only good at making watches and chocolate. Why should they have a say in this matter? These people should be ashamed of themselves. Tough scene.

Ever hear of knives?

Then again, their army is notoriously afraid to fight in wars.

Fight in wars? Where is the war profiteering in that?

nawtyxes wrote:

would be awesome if everyone at the starting line declined to take off at the gun in protest...just let Caster and the rest of the Y'ers run

Exactly this /\

In fact all women should decline to honor invitations where Semenya is invited. Instead of Semenya being grateful that she and his type were allowed into the sport to begin with, now she. is destroying the sport from within! She needs to stop calling herself a woman for she is not fighting for all women. She is a cheat and she thinks that her competition should just accept and move on. Not so quick Semenya! Iaaf should just scrap women 800m and 1500m/ mile or admit Semenya and others like into Paralympic competition.

I wish there was a simple fix for this horrible unfair mess.

Most people don't want to sound discriminatory or racist, but lets face it there is tons of evidence that CAS racing against female without any genetic conditions is just UNFAIR and basically impossible to be beaten unless she is not 80% or better in her fitness level that she has shown lately, but there's not doubts she could break any middle distance WR. Personally I feel sorry for the rest of the women competing in the 800 event, they know they have zero chances at winning and they only ran as hard as they can trying to stay in contact with CAS, we don't see that kind of dominance in men's events, it is very clear that she is going to win every single race she competes in. Maybe we should create a new category for these women that were born with this genetic conditions that way we can have fairness in athletics. This is not discrimination, this is Fair competition.

It has been shown in many studies that even XX with high T levels have an advantage in performance from 2-5%, now imagine having T levels comparable to any normal male athlete.

I hope a good solution is found and soon we can see fair competition in the women's 800m.

I totally get it. This issue must be addressed very seriously, we can not continue witnessing this unfair competition in athletics. Categories were created for a good reason. I'm not saying CAS should be considered as a Man and just let her run in the Men's categories, but I do believe it is unfair letting her compete in our regular women category. We have witness this carnage for quite some time and finally we know by facts that her condition gives her a HUGE advantage in Performance. I would say there is zero chances CAS will finish second or worse any giving day with her current competition even if not 100%. I really hope to see some justice is the women's 800 event.

Jo72 wrote:

I guess the judges found the women's 800m race in Stockholm too lame... :D

Yeah. Tainted meat isn't exiting enough, that's for sure.

mahmood wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

46XY, same as all the men on the planet; testes - like all the men; male levels of testosterone; no ovaries and no womb - just like all the men. So, explain again how such an athlete fits the female category for sports?

Still not convinced Semenya wasn't born an hermaphrodite and had "corrective" surgery in infancy.

Hasnt t had her testes removed, which is what produces her male levels of testosterone. It doesn't matter what she shares with other women; it is what she shares with men that gives her the unfair advantage. Hence the IAAF rule.

Fogrunr wrote:

rojo wrote:

Great idea (exept you got confused with xy and xx). That's what we do. Just have an open division and an XX division.

Better:

An open women's category

An open men's category

We do already. Except that some from one category are now running in the other.

Ajee cheats wrote:

Jo72 wrote:

I guess the judges found the women's 800m race in Stockholm too lame... :D

Yeah. Tainted meat isn't exiting enough, that's for sure.

Not really.

Great post.

Where is the real women’s rights movement? wrote:

Good bye female athletics.

Good bye to what advances females have worked hard for in sport.

PC culture is the demise of it all.

I actually blame female athletes for not taking charge of their own destiny, not making a stand for their rights. Why do they race against these guys? Where are all the women’s rights movements on this? They seem to jump on men with reckless abandon, can’t they understand what having a Y chromosome competing in sports means to female sport?

Too bad ladies.

Wouldnt it be cool if all the women in the next olympic 800m final lined up at the starting line, then when the race starts they all just stand there and watch Cas run alone? That would send a strong message that they protest the unfairness of whats happening here. Strength in numbers. Similar to what abcrunning said, the solution is to create a new category. That way its a win win. But until then, there needs to be a strong message that this is wrong.

"Its not about money. Its about sending a message."

minong wrote:

IAAF not backing down.

https://twitter.com/nzaccardi/status/1135974130409451520

Did I read this correctly? This ruling only applies to Semenya and not the other XYs?

Armstronglivs wrote:

46XY, same as all the men on the planet; testes - like all the men; male levels of testosterone; no ovaries and no womb - just like all the men. So, explain again how such an athlete fits the female category for sports?

No penis - same as all the men on the planet?

No visible testicles i.e. no scrotum - same as all the men on the planet?

None of the things you described (46xy, internal testicles, womb and ovaries) are things that are normally checked in babies. Baby born with no penis and no ball sack hanging out = female. So it has been, all over the world, for thousands of years, so it was for Caster Semenya. Unless you’re proposing 7 year old girls should undergo chromosome testing before their first junior track meet?