Former Sub-14, can you please share more details on the fast striding? How long were the reps? On what day of the week would they slot this in? How many reps were typically done?
Former Sub-14, can you please share more details on the fast striding? How long were the reps? On what day of the week would they slot this in? How many reps were typically done?
Former Sub 14:00, Jan, Han Solo, thank you for your replies. Much appreciated.
iflyboats wrote:
Why does anyone care how he trains? Are you all naive enough to think his success is primarily the result of any particular training he does differently from everyone else? The kid has been a phenom since a very young age, and there is only one explanation for that--GENETICS. Copying his training will not make you or the kids who have the misfortune of training under you any f*cking faster. Bunch of g*ddamn idiots out here bro.
You are booth wrong and right in that statement. Right because Jakob is an outstanding talent , and wrong in some way when it comes to copy his training . I mean one should not try to copy exact what he does, but instead try to incorporate the basic principle. Yesterday he did 25 x 400m at his lactate threshold and the week before he did 12 x 400m at 60 sec with 1 min rest .This is confirmed. Do you see any similarity to another now well known system that almost every week use 15- 20 x 400m or sometimes faster 10-12 x 400s ? It`s on the same theme but on less mileage needed.
SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:
iflyboats wrote:
Why does anyone care how he trains? Are you all naive enough to think his success is primarily the result of any particular training he does differently from everyone else? The kid has been a phenom since a very young age, and there is only one explanation for that--GENETICS. Copying his training will not make you or the kids who have the misfortune of training under you any f*cking faster. Bunch of g*ddamn idiots out here bro.
You are booth wrong and right in that statement. Right because Jakob is an outstanding talent , and wrong in some way when it comes to copy his training . I mean one should not try to copy exact what he does, but instead try to incorporate the basic principle. Yesterday he did 25 x 400m at his lactate threshold and the week before he did 12 x 400m at 60 sec with 1 min rest .This is confirmed. Do you see any similarity to another now well known system that almost every week use 15- 20 x 400m or sometimes faster 10-12 x 400s ? It`s on the same theme but on less mileage needed.
Yes. This sounds somewhat like the Portuguese system from the 80s for Mamede and Lopes.
I've seen the brothers do all out 300's on the track. They were for sure working on that closing speed.
Saturday Long Run wrote:
Former Sub-14, can you please share more details on the fast striding? How long were the reps? On what day of the week would they slot this in? How many reps were typically done?
They did them on Mondays at the training camp. Roughly ~100m and they accelerated a lot over the course of it. Flying into it. A lot of this stuff other programs utilize. Some like to do them on short hills. Canova does it this way. Same for Tinman and many other programs. I don’t think the brothers would want them on that hill because they do longer hill reps anyway on Saturday. Also, Coach J.S. you give good advice when you aren’t trying to publicize yourself constantly. Seems like you are really knowledgeable about them.
In this article by Bluejay
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ncl
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from January 2019 the Ingebrigtsen brothers training is described in more generel terms, including the ratio between aerobic and anaerobic exercise and the ratio between treshold exercises and long recovery runs
SUPERIOR POSTER BM wrote:
SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:
You are booth wrong and right in that statement. Right because Jakob is an outstanding talent , and wrong in some way when it comes to copy his training . I mean one should not try to copy exact what he does, but instead try to incorporate the basic principle. Yesterday he did 25 x 400m at his lactate threshold and the week before he did 12 x 400m at 60 sec with 1 min rest .This is confirmed. Do you see any similarity to another now well known system that almost every week use 15- 20 x 400m or sometimes faster 10-12 x 400s ? It`s on the same theme but on less mileage needed.
Yes. This sounds somewhat like the Portuguese system from the 80s for Mamede and Lopes.
Correct! There is really nothing special with the Ingebrigtsens system except they do a little more LT training and measure their lactate threshold.It`s on the same theme as many great systems in history.
SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:
SUPERIOR POSTER BM wrote:
Yes. This sounds somewhat like the Portuguese system from the 80s for Mamede and Lopes.
Correct! There is really nothing special with the Ingebrigtsens system except they do a little more LT training and measure their lactate threshold.It`s on the same theme as many great systems in history.
The 2 x thresholds on one day, twice a week is something I haven't heard of in other systems. Also the very easy recovery days, sometimes walking on hills if heart rate too high is different. Weekly mileage as reported earlier in the thread 160 to 190 km seems average for a 1500/5000 runner.
iflyboats wrote:
Why does anyone care how he trains? Are you all naive enough to think his success is primarily the result of any particular training he does differently from everyone else? The kid has been a phenom since a very young age, and there is only one explanation for that--GENETICS. Copying his training will not make you or the kids who have the misfortune of training under you any f*cking faster. Bunch of g*ddamn idiots out here bro.
Mutant Genetics! ?
OP checking the thread for the first time in a while really a great response from FS14 and OldFish etc. Really some good information. It seems like everybody knows what they are doing from say... September to March ?? But has anybody information on what they are doing during racing season (since they are racing almost every week from June to August in Diamond League meets). I know that they actually do a threshold session + ice bath, 4hours post race, if that is interesting to any of you. Not sure about those other day between races. How much is their threshold sessions reduced, do they focus a lot more on quicker track sessions (120s, 150s ??). Any information would be greatly appreciated.
On my last post, also got to give a lot of credit to you, major help so far. Would really like to know where you got the above information because it sort of gives us more of an insight to the question asked in my last post, it seems like you could share some more details.
Thanks.
runnerrunner100 wrote:
On my last post, also got to give a lot of credit to you, major help so far. Would really like to know where you got the above information because it sort of gives us more of an insight to the question asked in my last post, it seems like you could share some more details.
Thanks.
As I told their system is really nothing special that hasn`t been done before, except they sometimes do double LT-intervals on a day and measure sometimes lactate…...So many runners and coaches believes they must do
something very different, but they don`t. Had been very interesting to see what had happened if they added a couple of my specialties.
I think a big difference is the specific and accurate(through use of a lactate meter) chipping away at the threshold since a young age. Jakob always talks about how nobody else went with him or how nobody made a move in post-race interviews, this is because at the last 400m/200m/100m Jakob has the least amount lactate in his blood, meaning he is feeling better/more confident and able to sprint at a higher percent of max speed than anyone else. Imagine feeling like you've run 3 laps while Jakob feels like he's only run 2, doesn't matter whose faster in an all-out 400m if he's sprinting at 85% of max and your at 75% of max.
Jgt11 wrote:
I think a big difference is the specific and accurate(through use of a lactate meter) chipping away at the threshold since a young age. Jakob always talks about how nobody else went with him or how nobody made a move in post-race interviews, this is because at the last 400m/200m/100m Jakob has the least amount lactate in his blood, meaning he is feeling better/more confident and able to sprint at a higher percent of max speed than anyone else. Imagine feeling like you've run 3 laps while Jakob feels like he's only run 2, doesn't matter whose faster in an all-out 400m if he's sprinting at 85% of max and your at 75% of max.
I just would like to make it clear that it`s not the lactate itself that makes it more difficult to use one`s top speed at the last lap. It`s more a result of poorer ability to use the need of lactate in the energy process just faster.
Just trying to work it all out in my head...
A lactate of 2.5-3.5 mmol is between lactate threshold and lactate turn point. If they do a large amount of work at this pace, and a smaller amount of high quality intervals, when do they train their lactate tolerance? i.e. "tempo pace"- quicker than lactate turn point, but not the high quality intervals
Lactate Tolerance wrote:
Just trying to work it all out in my head...
A lactate of 2.5-3.5 mmol is between lactate threshold and lactate turn point. If they do a large amount of work at this pace, and a smaller amount of high quality intervals, when do they train their lactate tolerance? i.e. "tempo pace"- quicker than lactate turn point, but not the high quality intervals
There is no "lactate tolerance" ! Only ability to use the need for lactate in the energy process faster.
Does anyone have this document? Link doesn’t seem to work.
Are there any other links to articles with insight on the brothers training?
what is the logic behind the double LT days?
Why is better than doing it 4 times a week on different days?
Impala31 wrote:
what is the logic behind the double LT days?
Why is better than doing it 4 times a week on different days?
You maximize recovery on the easy days.