Another Kenyan Charged With Doping

After all the pages on this topic, I think it’s safe to assume that all Kenyans use drugs when competing in track.

Doped to the Max wrote:

Another Kenyan charged with doping (ABP violation). Fresh off the AIU list:

Cyrus Rutto

https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/disciplinary-process/provisional-suspensions-in-forcehttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_Ruttohttp://www.runblogrun.com/2018/05/2018-adidas-boost-boston-games-diary-cyrus-rutto-runs-74564-wl.html

Any relation to Ronald Rutto?

Another lower level sacrifice to make it look like there's an attempt being made to stop E. Africans from doping. Meanwhile the top tier Africans will continue to avoid out of season/out of competition testing while also enjoying behind the scenes protection from controlled officials. Get ready for a summer filled with ridiculous performances from doped to the eyeballs E. Africans who will have the sheeple staring in awe.

Coevett wrote:

789878987 wrote:

blah blah blah blah 60 failed Kenyan doping tests is less than one French female marathoner married to a Moroccan doper blah blah blah blah blah every Kenyan bust proves that all whiteys dope!!! blah blah blah blah

lol lying loser.

Coevett wrote:

789878987 wrote:

blah blah blah blah 60 failed Kenyan doping tests is less than one French female marathoner married to a Moroccan doper blah blah blah blah blah every Kenyan bust proves that all whiteys dope!!! blah blah blah blah

Just curious, 60 Kenyan "doping tests"?? What does that mean?

And of course you have to blame the French white woman's doping on her Moroccan husband!!!

The white person would never decide to dope on her own. It had to be the African!!!

Ah but I am Coevett, the paladin of PED justice who doesn't even look at race!

Most people on here without a racist bias laugh at your stupid #banKenya attempts.

casual obsever wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

This is interesting, of recent Chelimo has been not only the best American but the best indigenous Kenyan 5,000m runner. I will go out on a limb and say there is a chance he is clean.

A very tiny chance, imho.

Subway Surfers wrote:

An Olympic silver medallist, WC bronze medallist and he got smashed by both Berega, Gebrhiwet and Kejelcha by like 100m. That is the difference between someone subject to mediocre testing in the US and the scandalously lousy Ethiopian testing.

Well, USADA never caught Armstrong (before the feds hand-delivered witnesses) or Rupp, so "mediocre" may be a euphemism.

But yeah, that may be the difference between all-out ooc doping and slightly limited doping.

Well obviously I need to clarify here, Chelimo got dragged through to what? 12:57/58? Berega, same race 12:43? This is the difference between Kanye West's "dragon energy" and something significantly less.

789878987 wrote:

Coevett wrote:

blah

Your silence on the French marathoner's thread is deafening.

But no, you are not racist nor anti-Kenya, you are fighting for doping-free track and field regardless of race or nationality!

Link? I think most in this thread haven't seen that either.

WorseB4Better wrote:

Another lower level sacrifice to make it look like there's an attempt being made to stop E. Africans from doping. Meanwhile the top tier Africans will continue to avoid out of season/out of competition testing while also enjoying behind the scenes protection from controlled officials. Get ready for a summer filled with ridiculous performances from doped to the eyeballs E. Africans who will have the sheeple staring in awe.

“Lower level sacrifice”? He’s a “top” Kenyan, don’t you know? He was 13th (one place ahead of DFL) at the 2017 worlds in London and is so big that LetsRun have article on the front page but made it all about Patrick Sang, Eliud Kipchoge, David Rudisha and Conseslus Kipruto insinuating how this invalidates all their achievements. Please note that only Africans and black people in general have to suffer this kind of collective responsibility and stigmatisation based on actions of individuals. I feel sick ? having to wade through this right wing cesspool sometimes.

Another sacrifice to doping gods

along with Zi**ist keeps your eyes

off Ethiopians and top Kenyans

this can not be disputed but

play victim if want something

Zi**ist perfected as art.

For the love of *** the 1500m easily go in summer and track

is apparently clean.

Wada and IAAF are gaslighting u to

High heavens.

And then there is the speed peptide

keeping this s**** show going .

All over sport besides aerobic doping perfected here this area

brought one woods in golf back from nowhere and all over elite sport

the young run like old and vice versa. Souped up nerv .system

sure chelimo the same really taking p**s , damage does to local scene.

Subway Surfers wrote:

789878987 wrote:

Your silence on the French marathoner's thread is deafening.

But no, you are not racist nor anti-Kenya, you are fighting for doping-free track and field regardless of race or nationality!

Link? I think most in this thread haven't seen that either.

'French' marathon runner busted in Morocco. She was there because she is married to a bad boy 'French' Moroccan runner who no doubt encouraged her to try the traditional local cuisine of peas and carrots.

Obviously this proves that doping is a greater problem outside of Africa than in Africa.

According to El K and the handful of other crazies here.

El Keniano wrote:

“Lower level sacrifice”? He’s a “top” Kenyan, don’t you know? He was 13th (one place ahead of DFL) at the 2017 worlds in London and is so big that LetsRun have article on the front page but made it all about Patrick Sang, Eliud Kipchoge, David Rudisha and Conseslus Kipruto insinuating how this invalidates all their achievements. Please note that only Africans and black people in general have to suffer this kind of collective responsibility and stigmatisation based on actions of individuals. I feel sick ? having to wade through this right wing cesspool sometimes.

You're actually accusing the Brojos of being right-wing racists because they put the suspension of Cyrus Ruto - a World Championship finalist, Diamond League regular, and sharing the same coach as Kipchoge and same manager as Rudisha - on their front page??

What website even remotely connected to running would avoid talking about the bust of yet another top Kenyan runner?

When are you going to take your head out of the sand? You're disgracing Kenya and creating the impression that Kenyans aren't facing up to the problem, which (thanks to Coe's pressure and initiative) they are, at last.

I think we need to recognize that there are a handful of hardcore doping apologists here who are trying to slander people as racist - even the site owners - if they even question the 'right' of Kenyan athletes to dope and cheat. El K is the most prominent of them.

I hope you aren't banned though. Your increasingly lunatic displays of denial to the problem are entertaining. Your complete lack of shame probably also hardens the attitude of the average reader as far as the need to crack down on doping in East Africa is concerned.

According to a 2016 WADA ADRV report, France had 9 ADRVs. Kenya had 7. (Italy had 8. Spain had 6. Romania had 9. Saudi Arabia had 9.) I wonder too, in all these threads, where is your outrage for doping in non-African countries like France?

Coevett wrote:

789878987 wrote:

blah blah blah blah 60 failed Kenyan doping tests is less than one French female marathoner married to a Moroccan doper blah blah blah blah blah every Kenyan bust proves that all whiteys dope!!! blah blah blah blah

rekrunner wrote:

According to a 2016 WADA ADRV report, France had 9 ADRVs. Kenya had 7.

(Italy had 8. Spain had 6. Romania had 9. Saudi Arabia had 9.)

I wonder too, in all these threads, where is your outrage for doping in non-African countries like France?

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And how many of those French (and Spanish) doping busts were actually Moroccan 'French' runners?

And how many were Olympic caliber athletes?

And how many people here claim that French domination of track is due to innate superiority and that anyone who denies this is a racist?

And why pick a report from 2016 at which point Kenya still didn't have any semblance of anti-doping and since then has hit by ever increasing number of busts? And are these ADRVs even exclusively athletics/track doping busts?

Learn to use reason and logic instead of clutching straws out of your big book of logical fallacies (especially when I've touched a raw nerve by insinuating that I think Paula is a cheat).

For the record I've expressed doubts about Spanish and Italian runners many times, including those from the 80s. As stated, most 'French' busts involve North African transplants. I've stated many times before that the overnight domination of French, Belgian (and to a lesser extent Spanish and even Italian) distance running was due to the doping culture of their North African communities.

*the overnight domination of French distance running by North Africans was due to doping.

And for the record, I'm very outraged that African doping culture is so clearly poisoning French running (in case you still haven't actually read the case - the female Marathoner busted was caught in Morocco (in rather dubious circumstances) with her Moroccan husband (also a 'French' runner).

No doubt if Mo ever gets caught in hi remote Ethiopian training camp with Aden sticking a needle in his butt, you and El K will be crowing that it proves that Europeans cheat as much as Africans.

Coevett wrote:

And for the record, I'm very outraged that African doping culture is so clearly poisoning French running (in case you still haven't actually read the case - the female Marathoner busted was caught in Morocco (in rather dubious circumstances) with her Moroccan husband (also a 'French' runner).

No doubt if Mo ever gets caught in hi remote Ethiopian training camp with Aden sticking a needle in his butt, you and El K will be crowing that it proves that Europeans cheat as much as Africans.

Dude, you are hilarious. So the "female Marathoner busted" may have doped because she is married to a Moroccan (or is he French? You call him both and I don't know him)? Doesn't she have free will?

Coevett wrote:

For the record I've expressed doubts about Spanish and Italian runners many times, including those from the 80s.

Of course you did. They were finishing ahead of some of the best British runners at the time.

And yeah, night shift is a b*****.

To answer your question doubting the data, these are ADRV statistics taken only from athletics. If I wanted to include other sports like cycling, I can find that Italy and France and Spain and UK and USA and Belgium and Belarus and Iran and Brazil and Columbia, all have a strong national culture of doping, without the influence of Moroccans or Kenyans or Ethiopians. I picked 2016 because it is the latest published report. I'm not sure yet whether the number of busts have increased, or just the visibility and reporting of Kenyan busts has increased. I expect the 2017 report will be published shortly, and the 2018 report around this time next year. It appears you are only outraged by doping when you can find a link to African culture. I haven't seen any of your expressed doubts regarding Spanish and Italian and French and Belgian performances, even from the '80s. But I will admit to skimming over many of your posts. How many threads have you started about Kenyans, versus the Moroccans in Spain, Italy, and France? How many Africans were busted in Romania and Saudi Arabia and Russia? I thought this was a doping thread, not a performance thread. If you want to link doping to performance, surely you recall my performance thread last year which also looked separately at the performance of non-Africans, without the influence of East and North African transplants. Putting Europe's failure to dominate aside, without North and East African transplants, why do you think countries like Russia, India, Romania, Saudi Arabia, and Brazil, with the highest ADRV statistics, fail to dominate over the other non-Africans, like the Kenyans? These countries with the highest ADRV statistics were not the best performing non-Africans (with a few exceptions on the women's side like Russia and Romania).

Coevett wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

According to a 2016 WADA ADRV report, France had 9 ADRVs. Kenya had 7.

(Italy had 8. Spain had 6. Romania had 9. Saudi Arabia had 9.)

I wonder too, in all these threads, where is your outrage for doping in non-African countries like France?

And how many of those French (and Spanish) doping busts were actually Moroccan 'French' runners?

And how many were Olympic caliber athletes?

And how many people here claim that French domination of track is due to innate superiority and that anyone who denies this is a racist?

And why pick a report from 2016 at which point Kenya still didn't have any semblance of anti-doping and since then has hit by ever increasing number of busts? And are these ADRVs even exclusively athletics/track doping busts?

Learn to use reason and logic instead of clutching straws out of your big book of logical fallacies (especially when I've touched a raw nerve by insinuating that I think Paula is a cheat).

For the record I've expressed doubts about Spanish and Italian runners many times, including those from the 80s. As stated, most 'French' busts involve North African transplants. I've stated many times before that the overnight domination of French, Belgian (and to a lesser extent Spanish and even Italian) distance running was due to the doping culture of their North African communities.[/quote]

rekrunner wrote:

Blah blah blah blah blah EPO doesn't work blah blah Pinkleton's thumb fallacy blah blah Coevett racist blah blah blah blah EPO doesn't work blah blah blah blah Coevett racist blah blah blah blah

Yeah, yeah Gary. There's no way I'm letting you train me for the Rieti 5K challenge against El K now. I want Canova and Canova only. He might be in denial on Kenyan doping, but there's no doubt he's one of the very best coaches in the world. If anyone can turn a 25 minute 5K Parkrunner into an 18 min hobby jogger elite guy in 6 months it's him. Meanwhile you can coach El K and repeatedly tell him over and over and over again that EPO doesn't work, backed by your cherry picked stats and schoolboy analysis, and he might actually stop doping himself silly (or die of boredom first), thereby going from a 14 min sub elite to a 19 minute hobby jogger elite - and I'll win.

Getting back to the subject, the reason so many people question your "objectivity" is based on the fact that many countries have a doping problem comparable to Kenya, but you only seem to be interested in admitting a doping problem if can claim an African connection.

Coevett wrote:

Blah blah blah I know you are but what am I blah blah blah how can I change the subject blah blah blah.

rekrunner wrote:

Getting back to the subject, the reason one or two hardcore doping apologists like me question your "objectivity" is based on the fact that Russia and the Ukraine have a doping problem comparable to Kenya, but you only seem to be interested in admitting a doping problem if can claim an African connection.

Blah blah blah blah. Last time I checked, Russia was banned and Ukraine on the watch list. Also, get back to me when Ukrainian men start dominating middle and long distance running and it becomes the widely held consensus that Ukrainian men are genetically superior and it's racist to deny otherwise and that if you're a young kid wanting to be a middle-distance star, you may as well forget it if your parents aren't Ukrainian.

Oh, and I'm the only English speaking person in the world to report the fact that the coach of Beyer, Herold, and Straub was convicted in Germany of supplying potentially lethal peds to a 14 year old female athlete of his.

I just can't stand those blonde blue-eyed Aryans.