And thr wrote:
You don’t know squat about ranges or averages or probability.
So you're going to call these writers all liars?
Or are you going to say it was a super mutant lion that has reached sexual maturation much faster than the average range of 1 year to 2.5 years?
I never said I was an expert about mountain lions or running. You're simply using the ad hominem fallacy instead of addressing the evidence.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/us/man-kills-cougar-mountain-lion.htmlThatAverageRunner wrote:
Look buddy. The department of wildlife said it was about 80lbs. Who the f cares if it was 70 or 85lbs.
"The body of the mountain lion, which officials said was less than a year old and weighed under 70 pounds,"
The New York Times has info from officials who said the mountain lion was under 1 year old and less than 70 pounds.
I believe the mountain lion was a juvenile that didn't hit puberty and that weighed in the 60s or 50s in pounds. Change my mind.
Under 70 lbs before or after the coyotes ate on the carcass?
YMMV wrote:
Under 70 lbs before or after the coyotes ate on the carcass?
Alright, you made a good point. Thank you for the response.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/mountain-lion-choked-by-colorado-runner-after-mauling-was-later-eaten-by-other-animals-officials-say"The man was bitten on his face and wrist before he managed to pick up a rock and slam the animal on the head."
Now I'm reading that the runner did not simply use his bare hands alone, but he used a blunt object as a weapon. This then might have knocked it unconscious, which would have allowed the runner to get use a chokehold.
Now I'm reading that the runner did not simply use his bare hands alone, but he used a blunt object as a weapon. This then might have knocked it unconscious, which would have allowed the runner to get use a chokehold.
Whoah, whoah. Earlier versions say F&W want to interview him. I don't like where this conjecture is going. You're saying he destroyed a defenseless lion. Dude better lawyer up I guess.
Any update on this story? Runner's name and 5k PR?
Ferrell related the man’s account of the attack. He told her he was running along a trail outside Fort Collins when he heard a noise behind him and turned around. “When he first saw the cat, he turned toward it and tried to do a bit of a stare down,” she says. The man started to back away, while trying to make himself look big and shouting. But the cat still pounced.
“His adrenaline was obviously off the chart, his instincts kicked in, and he used whatever it was that he had at his disposal to survive," Ferrell said. The man was unarmed, without even a knife. So he used rocks to pound at the mountain lion before he was able to get his hands around its throat. “He used his hands and feet to basically choke the animal,” Ferrell said.
Ferrell related the man’s account of the attack. He told her he was running along a trail outside Fort Collins when he heard a noise behind him and turned around. “When he first saw the cat, he turned toward it and tried to do a bit of a stare down,” she says. The man started to back away, while trying to make himself look big and shouting. But the cat still pounced.
“His adrenaline was obviously off the chart, his instincts kicked in, and he used whatever it was that he had at his disposal to survive," Ferrell said. The man was unarmed, without even a knife. So he used rocks to pound at the mountain lion before he was able to get his hands around its throat. “He used his hands and feet to basically choke the animal,” Ferrell said.
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Even a very young, very small mountain lion must have made a fierce opponent. “[The runner's] injuries are serious, but not life threatening,” Ferrell says. “Considering what he went through, he’s in pretty good condition.”
Ferrell also said that the man has received “a few marriage proposals online” since the incident. She described his actions as nothing short of “heroic.”
statfool wrote:
https://www.outsideonline.com/2389231/how-man-killed-mountain-lion-his-bare-hands?utm_medium=socialFerrell related the man’s account of the attack. He told her he was running along a trail outside Fort Collins when he heard a noise behind him and turned around. “When he first saw the cat, he turned toward it and tried to do a bit of a stare down,” she says. The man started to back away, while trying to make himself look big and shouting. But the cat still pounced. .
Props to the guy for fighting back successfully, but this is where he F-ed up big time. Keep eye contact and do nothing that signifies that you are prey, or you will be attacked.
BTW How the hell does he get marriage proposals, since no one knows who he is?
facts and reason wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/us/man-kills-cougar-mountain-lion.html"The body of the mountain lion, which officials said was less than a year old and weighed under 70 pounds,"
The New York Times has info from officials who said the mountain lion was under 1 year old and less than 70 pounds.
There's something very, very suspicious going on. What was Konstanze Klosterhalfen doing in Colorado? And she wasn't killed, as she won the Women's Wanamaker Mile five days later! Darn reporters!
Oh, never mind...I was confused by the weight reference. It was a cougar, and K.K. isn't a cougar, by any stretch of the imagination. Weight's about the same, though.
YMMV wrote:
Props to the guy for fighting back successfully, but this is where he F-ed up big time. Keep eye contact and do nothing that signifies that you are prey, or you will be attacked.
He maintained eye contact and stepped back. What else should he have done. Walk towards the cougar?
Read the snoqualmish account. They on the other hand did nothing right, but got praise. One person ran while the cougar had their friend's head. Then the other friend ran and the cougar got them. Kind of cowardly by both of them too.
Critically thinking here wrote:
YMMV wrote:
Props to the guy for fighting back successfully, but this is where he F-ed up big time. Keep eye contact and do nothing that signifies that you are prey, or you will be attacked.
He maintained eye contact and stepped back. What else should he have done. Walk towards the cougar?
Read the snoqualmish account. They on the other hand did nothing right, but got praise. One person ran while the cougar had their friend's head. Then the other friend ran and the cougar got them. Kind of cowardly by both of them too.
I was in the exact same situation in my encounter. I didn't give an inch, and when it circled me from less than ten feet away, I rotated to keep facing it. Otherwise I would not be here to plague brain-damaged vegans on this site lol.
My cat was a healthy adult male, I would have had zero chance of survival if it had jumped me). If I had stepped back it would have been over, there is no doubt in my mind. I credit a few years of martial arts training in college (and facing down much stronger bullies than me in grade school) to have helped save me.
As for the Snoqualmie guys, they did the right thing in the first encounter, using their bikes as both defense and weapons, and apparently not giving ground. On the second encounter, apparently the guy who died panicked and tried to flee rather than fight the cat, despite still having a bike to wield. Once again, act like prey, end up as prey.
A 70 pound cougar is the equivalent of about 7 regular size house cats, though possibly more savage.
The best weapon to have in the wilderness, besides a spear, is a stick with a forked or T-shaped end. Tiger trainers use them to make a tiger stop advancing. Rangers on Komodo use them to hold the dragons at bay. The animals get confused and aren't sure how to get past them.
Bad Wigins wrote:
A 70 pound cougar is the equivalent of about 7 regular size house cats, though possibly more savage.
No, they are not comparable.
Bad Wigins wrote:
A 70 pound cougar is the equivalent of about 7 regular size house cats, though possibly more savage.
The best weapon to have in the wilderness, besides a spear, is a stick with a forked or T-shaped end. Tiger trainers use them to make a tiger stop advancing. Rangers on Komodo use them to hold the dragons at bay. The animals get confused and aren't sure how to get past them.
Actually the best weapon(s) against any big cat is a pair of these:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnbdWqXYusHTr0vwkIRAyTxNw-M3GM5OkKxLCk5kpuVRnwal-gcgYMMV wrote:
I was in the exact same situation in my encounter. I didn't give an inch, and when it circled me from less than ten feet away, I rotated to keep facing it. {/quote]
Man....this guy is a BAD-A$$!
[quote]YMMV wrote: My cat was a healthy adult male, I would have had zero chance of survival if it had jumped me).
Oh, don't be so humble YMMV, you're superman, remember?
YMMV wrote: I credit a few years of martial arts training in college (and facing down much stronger bullies than me in grade school) to have helped save me.
That's gold. Thanks for that.
Stupid post. wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
A 70 pound cougar is the equivalent of about 7 regular size house cats, though possibly more savage.
No, they are not comparable.
7 house cats imbued with the same savagery as a wild cougar could do a lot more harm than you might expect, maybe even kill you. Their needle-like fangs could easily puncture your jugular.
I only read a couple of pages so not sure if this has been brought up: What was the runner doing in cat territory? There are plenty of tracks and/or city roads one can train in. I feel bad a mountain lion was killed when it didn't have to die.
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Poor kitty wrote:
I only read a couple of pages so not sure if this has been brought up: What was the runner doing in cat territory? There are plenty of tracks and/or city roads one can train in. I feel bad a mountain lion was killed when it didn't have to die.
Because slowass track runners go into trail and ultra running to compensate for lack of speed and talent.