IAAF is a joke. Look at this picture of "16 years old" Ethiopian Girmawit Gebrzihair

Also, notice how Zakayo refers to Joshua Cheptegei, who's in his early twenties, as "a senior". Africans tend to be automatically deferential of those older than them, even if it's only by a few years, and Zakayo appears to look up to Cheptegei that way.

El Keniano wrote:

I mean no disrespect nor do I intend to focus on this talented young guy's appearance, but Zakayo isn't the most conventional looking person regardless of age, which is the reason people have picked on him and questioned his age. I would guess he's experienced this his entire life, including teasing and bullying, but there are other parameters and intangibles you can use to guess a person's age, including their voice, general demeanour and subject of conversation.

This guy is worried about getting back to school and homework which is typical of Kenyan teens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPr0CsnRVro

Not being disrespectful either, but both him and Tim look like they were the result of some kind of alien/Kenyan crossbreeding experiment.

And regards the video, he sound like a man in his twenties, and the way he immediately starts talking about school is quite suspicious actually.

Odd this wrote:

So odd.

These over-aged Africans somehow go on to dominate at open level and then miraculously morph into under-aged masters.

This simply isn't true.

Go trawl Wikipedia or IAAF results sometime. Look at the past Kenyan competitors of World Youth and Junior championships. MANY never ran faster than they did at "15, 16, 17, 18." The same will hold true with this current crop. The 25-ish year old who won that 5000 may very well never improve upon 13:20.

They said that when Kipchoge first came into the scene. Same with Bernard Lagat. Almost 20 years later, both Lagat and Kipchoge are still competing at the highest level. And now they want to say they both added years to their age to start with so they are probably not the age they are right now(Kipchoge 33, Lagat 44)

No one said that about Lagat. He was 25 or so at his first Olympics. Ran NCAAs in America, no outlandish "junior" results in Kenya.

Kipchoge - yes. He was probably 21 or so (not "18") when he beat el G in '03, making him 36 now. Doesn't seem unreasonable.

What does that have to do with the insane age-cheating taking place at the now-completed World Junior meet?

You tried.

Coevett wrote:

Not being disrespectful either, but both him and Tim look like they were the result of some kind of alien/Kenyan crossbreeding experiment.

You are being an imbecile (your favourite word to call others fits you very well here) with that clearly, intentionally disrespectful comment.

KANJA wrote:

They said that when Kipchoge first came into the scene. Same with Bernard Lagat. Almost 20 years later, both Lagat and Kipchoge are still competing at the highest level. And now they want to say they both added years to their age to start with so they are probably not the age they are right now(Kipchoge 33, Lagat 44)

Also, I'm not aware of Lagat having any distinguished junior athletics career.

On the contrary, according to the IAAF he went from :

1997 (22) 3:41

1998 (23) 3:34

1999 (24) 3:30

2000 (25) 3:28

2001 (26) 3:26

It's like when the 'older' Manganoi always makes a point of talking about his 'kid brother'. The 'kid brother' his clearly older than he is.

trollism wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Not being disrespectful either, but both him and Tim look like they were the result of some kind of alien/Kenyan crossbreeding experiment.

And regards the video, he sound like a man in his twenties, and the way he immediately starts talking about school is quite suspicious actually.

It's like when the 'older' Manganoi always makes a point of talking about his 'kid brother'. The 'kid brother' his clearly older than he is.

Sure he is

celery wrote:

Naaaa wrote:

https://youtu.be/_bz_IQoa5t8

. Watch the video rather than the fake picture

The video looks like a shy teenager to me. I agree, the picture might just be bad lighting or photography affects.

I was at the meet and saw her up close and my thoughts were either an age cheat or has had a very very very tough life so far

Nips and tatties wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Not being disrespectful either, but both him and Tim look like they were the result of some kind of alien/Kenyan crossbreeding experiment.

You are being an imbecile (your favourite word to call others fits you very well here) with that clearly, intentionally disrespectful comment.

O.K., but not intentionally disrespectful - El K brought it up. I'm here because I'm sick of Kenyan doping killing our sport. And I do find it odd that two of the big talents look so bizarre.

Effects of Growth Hormone on Craniofacial Growth :

12 year old Jeremy(4:40) looks older than many of the Kenyan 18/19 years old runners, which were called age cheats by many here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJXinXD873I

trollism wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Not being disrespectful either, but both him and Tim look like they were the result of some kind of alien/Kenyan crossbreeding experiment.

And regards the video, he sound like a man in his twenties, and the way he immediately starts talking about school is quite suspicious actually.

It's like when the 'older' Manganoi always makes a point of talking about his 'kid brother'. The 'kid brother' his clearly older than he is.

I disagree on that one. George Manangoi definitely looks younger than his brother. Hard to say how old but he doesn't look particularly older than Jakob Ingerbrigtsen.

Objectively, Jakob looks very mature and I'd guess he was 19/20 if I didn't know. It's very common for these wonder kids to look mature because that's often why they are better than their age group.

They look about the same age to me.

trollism wrote:

It's like when the 'older' Manganoi always makes a point of talking about his 'kid brother'. The 'kid brother' his clearly older than he is.

Ha classic, just imagine if it was a scam similar to the twins on 'The Prestige.'

ex-runner wrote:

https://vertical.snd.no/images/5b88c1e9-994d-477b-b519-6149f0f5bc3d?fit=crop&h=810&q=80&w=1440http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/George+Meitamei+Manangoi+IAAF+U18+World+Championships+wRq4nOINEl0l.jpg

They look about the same age to me.

Jakob looks the same age as my 16 year old nephew.

Can't beat a bit of African bashing, or in laymans, racism.

Nope, I disagree wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

https://vertical.snd.no/images/5b88c1e9-994d-477b-b519-6149f0f5bc3d?fit=crop&h=810&q=80&w=1440http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/George+Meitamei+Manangoi+IAAF+U18+World+Championships+wRq4nOINEl0l.jpg

They look about the same age to me.

Jakob looks the same age as my 16 year old nephew.

How old does Manangoi look to you in that picture, out of interest?

And what would you guess the age gap at of those two boys, as pictured, not using any bias from historical age cheating?

ex-runner wrote:

Nope, I disagree wrote:

Jakob looks the same age as my 16 year old nephew.

How old does Manangoi look to you in that picture, out of interest?

And what would you guess the age gap at of those two boys, as pictured, not using any bias from historical age cheating?

I would guess that they are the same age. Keyword GUESS.

Any rational human would agree that it's insane to think you can accurately guess someone's age by eye.