Asbel Kiprop speaks to BBC: "The truth will come out and it will clear my name." Calls for dopers to be jailed.

Definately more than tea money. wrote:

That's a month (am I missing something?), so Kiprop's sh. 32,000 tea money was the equivalent of a PC's monthly wage.

am I missing something? ---------------- yes the tea money was sh3200 ie half a days pay

still a bribe

Can't they DNA test the samples to confirm it was from Kiprop? Couldn't they also test the samples for contamination tampering too.

Also, is it true Eliud K. stands by him? Can someone post a link to that claim?

New technologies wrote:

Can't they DNA test the samples to confirm it was from Kiprop? Couldn't they also test the samples for contamination tampering too.

Also, is it true Eliud K. stands by him? Can someone post a link to that claim?

The Athletics Integrity Unit has already investigated and ruled that there was no signs of tampering with the sample and that the sample was provided by Kiprop.

In the course of these proceedings, Mr Kiprop has made a number of public allegations in relation to the sample collection process. These allegations have been investigated by the AIU. The AIU is satisfied that there has been no mix up or tampering with the Sample and that the Sample collected from the Athlete on 27 November 2017 was the same Sample analysed by the Laboratory and reported as an Adverse Analytical Finding

m!ndweak wrote:

especially when you toss out

-lagat

-jeptoo

-sumgong

and kiprop

then yeah only sh*tty kenyans get popped for PEDs

Don't forget Jebet or Kisorio.

New technologies wrote:

Can't they DNA test the samples to confirm it was from Kiprop? Couldn't they also test the samples for contamination tampering too.

Also, is it true Eliud K. stands by him? Can someone post a link to that claim?

Recombinant epo

Pretty sure testers as their first process is to do a DNA match. Hence the trouble Rotich (an older fat man) is in.

Definately more than tea money. wrote:

According to this:

"1. The basic salary for Kenya police constable was sh. 32,880"

That's a month (am I missing something?), so Kiprop's sh. 32,000 tea money was the equivalent of a PC's monthly wage.

https://www.tuko.co.ke/269415-kenya-police-salary-2018.html#269415

Just a slight correction before you get ahead of yourself. The tea money was 3,200 shillings, not 32000. And there were two testers. Assuming they were driving to Eldoret after an early morning urine harvest. If those two decided to have their grab at, say, Java (Kenyan version of Starbucks), that money would be just enough for them to have a nice hot beverageand a ? and a slice of ?.

Either Kiprop has doctored his phone records or he was tested twice, 22 November and an ambush on 27 November (which makes sense).

not according to mr mindweak and he should know

Quote"1. The basic salary for Kenya police constable was sh. 32,880" end quote.

That salary of 32,880 is equal to $322 u.s. dollars, a wage which most Kenyans consider a good wage. To put into perspective, that sum of money would be equivalent to a u.s. wage of $3500-4200, in real terms, so nothing to sniff at.

In Kenya, even today, the majority live on less than $2 per day.

In context, re. A.K. all this means that the tea money offered was a nice bonus offered, to a far from wealthy government worker, but that the latter, knowing Kiprop's wealthy status, was not satisfied, and that the process went pear shaped from there.

Hopefully, the right decision will be rendered soon, and if no wrong doing is established, the ever youthful looking Asbel will regain his place on the starting lines.

He is the main draw in 1500 races, and his absence would be a severe blow to meeting organizers.

Ghost1 wrote:

In Kenya, even today, the majority live on less than $2 per day.

In context, re. A.K. all this means that the tea money offered was a nice bonus offered, to a far from wealthy government worker,

So $32 split between the two collectors would buy them a fair bit of tea, so you could say they're on a nice little earner when you multiply that by the number of collections from other athletes, which is different to what El Keniano is trying to convince of.

Quote -"That salary of 32,880 is equal to $322 u.s. dollars, a wage which most Kenyans consider a good wage. To put into perspective, that sum of money would be equivalent to a u.s. wage of $3500-4200, in real terms, so nothing to sniff at." end quote

Correction, the u.s. equivalent would be less after taxes. The u.s. median income is only around 45,000 dollars, before taxes.

Substantial numbers of u.s. workers have little or no savings.

Asbel's 'basic' wage as a senior police officer takes care of his, and his family's, basic needs - food, shelter, clothing. Health care ,can be a challenge, with overcrowding, and underfunded hospitals, but Eldoret is somewhat like "Little Switzerland" in Kenya - a dynamic, industrial, agricultural town, with dozens of wealthy runners who have invested heavily in the infrastructure and facilities.

The good news, in this ongoing saga, is that A.K. has not conceded defeat in his quest to have his name cleared, and those elite runners have not dropped him either, indicating that they, the champion runners, believe in him and affirm his 'not guilty' status.

Everyone is waiting.

Classic Afternoon Tea Package at the swanky Villa Rosa Kempinski Nairobi and still have $7 left over from the 32.

https://www.kempinski.com/en/nairobi/hotel-villa-rosa/dining/special-dining-offers/k-lounge-afternoon-tea/

Tea for the Tillerman. wrote:

Classic Afternoon Tea Package at the swanky Villa Rosa Kempinski Nairobi and still have $7 left over from the 32.

https://www.kempinski.com/en/nairobi/hotel-villa-rosa/dining/special-dining-offers/k-lounge-afternoon-tea/

Oh my. Talk about going off-piste. All because a bunch of you want to make it $32 is like buying someone a BMW in Kenya. That money would not be enough for high tea at Villa Rosa, btw. What are you reading?

El Keniano wrote:

Definately more than tea money. wrote:

According to this:

"1. The basic salary for Kenya police constable was sh. 32,880"

That's a month (am I missing something?), so Kiprop's sh. 32,000 tea money was the equivalent of a PC's monthly wage.

https://www.tuko.co.ke/269415-kenya-police-salary-2018.html#269415

Just a slight correction before you get ahead of yourself. The tea money was 3,200 shillings, not 32000. And there were two testers. Assuming they were driving to Eldoret after an early morning urine harvest. If those two decided to have their grab at, say, Java (Kenyan version of Starbucks), that money would be just enough for them to have a nice hot beverageand a ? and a slice of ?.

https://g.co/kgs/9VpSu7

I don't care for this argument about $32 because it is entirely irrelevant.

All that matters to me, and the AIU, and most likely the IAAF is A Positive + B Positive = F@#ked

But I just want to say that Kenyan Starbucks is expensive! $16 for some tea, cake and a sandwich! That's like London prices.

Quote -"All that matters to me, and the AIU, and most likely the IAAF is A Positive + B Positive " end quote.

We should not jump the gun on that one, as there are serious concerns that Asbel's vials were tampered with during his, admittedly unwise, decision to leave the room to make a Pesa payment with his cell phone.

This whole saga reeks of corruption and cheating, because there were so many irregularities in the procedures, which, in the final analysis, should invalidate the whole case, because "he said this, and the other did that" would never hold water in any respectable law court, and I am surprised, ex.runner, that you don't recognize this, as you are British yourself, and would normally adhere to those just and fair standards.

El.K. alluded to Asbel possibly being framed, an unfortunate common occurence against those perceived to be rich in Kenya - and, yes, Asbel is presumably a very wealthy man, even by western standards, thanks to his earnings on the circuit these past 10 years.

Asbel's defence team should take the stand, asap, to clear his name, as the longer this continues, the more false claims will emerge.

El Keniano wrote:

Tea for the Tillerman. wrote:

Classic Afternoon Tea Package at the swanky Villa Rosa Kempinski Nairobi and still have $7 left over from the 32.

https://www.kempinski.com/en/nairobi/hotel-villa-rosa/dining/special-dining-offers/k-lounge-afternoon-tea/

Oh my. Talk about going off-piste. All because a bunch of you want to make it $32 is like buying someone a BMW in Kenya. That money would not be enough for high tea at Villa Rosa, btw. What are you reading?

"What are you reading?" - The link, that's what's it there for, try reading it.

"Classic Afternoon Tea Package with tea/ coffee - Kshs 2,500 per person."

"Oh my. Talk about going off-piste." - Just following on from yours and Mindweak's culinary posts, but now you're going on about cars. :)

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

➡gets the call from Simon @ 7:34PM, 21 Nov. to turn up for testing the next day (22 November)

➡but the test that he failed is officially dated the 27 November.

➡was Kiprop tested again in short succession?

According to Seppelt's tweet, the money was transferred on 27 November.

Maybe he wasn't tested at all on 22 November, as he expressed concerns about passing the test via texting on 21 November.

Looks like a "hook, line & sinker" to me.

His ABP data back in Sept 2016 had a suspicious flag (FB hack) with notes to 1) "Test Precomp." and 2) "Intestive Testing During Competition Period." with a high priority level listed (+++). They were seeing something not right in his ABP and stepped up the testing IC & pre-comp in what appeared to be a "cat & mouse" game. The focus must have changed to an OOC off-season strategy and Kiprop got caught glowing.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

m!ndweak wrote:

especially when you toss out

-lagat

-jeptoo

-sumgong

and kiprop

then yeah only sh*tty kenyans get popped for PEDs

Don't forget Jebet or Kisorio.

or Ronald Rutto (EPO), Julia Mumbi Muraga (EPO), Pamela Chepchumba (EPO) & Delilah Asiago (undisclosed PED), who is the 4 mile & 12km road WR holder.

Even back in the old days Kenyan doping was starting to get annoying. ?