If Kenya gets banned...who are your Gold medal tips for Tokyo?

kid from PA wrote:

Nips and tatties wrote:

You didn't say anything about major championships. You said he is finished.

You weren't counting on what? hahaha You know nothing about professional athletes' training :)

You have been proven wrong so many times...

I never said Jakob was just hype.

But you have been wrong so often...

I wonder what your agenda is. Why are you on LRC?

He’s like the running equivalent of a white supremacist.

Saying the hardcore SJW racists who are stewing over the myth of Kenyan running supremacy being demolished tonight.

The look on your faces when you realized Jakob had crossed the line in 3:31 must have been similar to that of Adolf Hitler watching Jesse Owens in '36.

Coevett wrote:

kid from PA wrote:

He’s like the running equivalent of a white supremacist.

Saying the hardcore SJW racists who are stewing over the myth of Kenyan running supremacy being demolished tonight.

The look on your faces when you realized Jakob had crossed the line in 3:31 must have been similar to that of Adolf Hitler watching Jesse Owens in '36.

Nah. He still loses almost every time. Noah Lyles is much more exciting.

Nips and tatties wrote:

Coevett wrote:

I said Amos was done at major championships.

Yeah, Tim has run under 3:30, but I wasn't counting on him taking a mid-season break to plant homegrown potatoes in Rongoi.

Face it, I've been proven right about Jakob when most of you were saying (hoping) he was just hype.

You didn't say anything about major championships. You said he is finished.

You weren't counting on what? hahaha You know nothing about professional athletes' training :)

You have been proven wrong so many times...

I never said Jakob was just hype.

But you have been wrong so often...

I wonder what your agenda is. Why are you on LRC?

I'm sorry, but neither you nor ex-letsrunner know much more about professional athlete's training than I do, unless you are qualified coaches or such. You said you were regional level and ex-letsrunner got to a UK championships likely with pharmaceutical help (if he had the opportunity).

I'm 47, inflammation problems, wrecked calves, meniscus tears, probable arthritis, and I'm already getting close to age graded regional level for 800m off of 6 months haphazard running in the park averaging less than 10 miles a week.

I'll take it from Canova, but not from you two :)

My agenda is that I'm sick of doped up Africans ruining our sport over the last 3 decades. What's yours? To defend obvious dopers at all costs and teach kids that blacks are radically different to white people?

Theodore wrote:

800m: Nijel Amos

1500m: Jakob Ingebritsen

3000mSC: Evan Jager

5000m: Muktar Edris

10000m: Joshua Cheptegei

Marathon: Sondre Nordstad Moen

And if Kenyans aren't banned:

800m: Wyclife Kinyamal

1500m: Timothy Cheruiyot

3000mSC: Conseslus Kipruto

5000m: Muktar Edris

10000m: Joshua Cheptegei

Marathon: Geoffrey Kamworor

+1

Although after tonight, maybe the 1500m and 3000mSC might have to be revised. I would bet my house on Jakob winning the 1500, and very possibly the 5000 too, no matter who shows up.

He admits he’s a white supremacist!

Africans “ruining our sport”? Jeeeeeeez.

“Radically different” physiology? Because of small differences in running times?

Coevett wrote:

I'm sorry, but neither you nor ex-letsrunner know much more about professional athlete's training than I do, unless you are qualified coaches or such. You said you were regional level and ex-letsrunner got to a UK championships likely with pharmaceutical help (if he had the opportunity).

I'm 47, inflammation problems, wrecked calves, meniscus tears, probable arthritis, and I'm already getting close to age graded regional level for 800m off of 6 months haphazard running in the park averaging less than 10 miles a week.

I'll take it from Canova, but not from you two :)

My agenda is that I'm sick of doped up Africans ruining our sport over the last 3 decades. What's yours? To defend obvious dopers at all costs and teach kids that blacks are radically different to white people?

Yes, I am a qualified coach.

Yes, regional level (which in my region is not that good :P ), but I have coached (even last year) national level runners.

I would much prefer you share your training and progression with us than your views on Kenyan athletics.

For the past two years I coach mostly masters runners so I would be very interested in following your progress.

You are sick of doped up Africans. Great! So am I!!!!

I am also sick of doped up athletes from all other continents (except for Antarctica).

My "agenda" is "innocent until proven guilty".

You seem to assume dopers must only be non-whites.

Hey! I am white, I am far from being a SJW, and my 5 favourite runners ever are 3 white, 1 black, 1 Japanese.

Just let things happen. Tim doped? He'll be caught, like Kiprop was.

He didn't? Leave the guy alone!

Jakob ran an amazing race/time! He came from behind, so probably he could have gone 3:30 had he even-paced it!

I like Tim! I like Jakob!

Leave skin colour/continent/nationality out of it and please, contribute in a good way to the forum.

And again, as a coach of master runners I would be very interested in following the progress of someone who started aged 47 and who wants to compete at the highest level in his age group(s).

Peace :)

Nips and tatties wrote:

I like Tim! I like Jakob!

Leave skin colour/continent/nationality out of it and please, contribute in a good way to the forum.

And again, as a coach of master runners I would be very interested in following the progress of someone who started aged 47 and who wants to compete at the highest level in his age group(s).

Peace :)

Wonderful comment!

All my list is realistic except Alex Yee. I'll admit I was trolling a little with him, although he'd just 'moved down' from the Triathlon and won the British 10000m title. Given I only listed 5 runners, it shows the agenda of the black panther extremists here in calling me a racist. I was also mocked with regards Kyle Langford, who we now know is injured and was suffering problems when he finished last in Rome. I still have faith in him.

Kenya might not get banned, but times in both Kenya and Ethiopia will go down markedly in the next two years, and the weekly busts will continue.

Jakob will likely be a 3:26/12:45 runner come Tokyo. And as 'ex-runner' pointed out, probably won't peak until the 2028 Games...

Coevett wrote:

it shows the agenda of the black panther extremists here in calling me a racist

You are a freakin loon.

Kenya and Ethiopia should be barred from all international competitions, with the Italians coaches expelled from the country.

wretw wrote:

Coevett wrote:

it shows the agenda of the black panther extremists here in calling me a racist

You are a freakin loon.

Hmm. ViveLaRepublica has stated 'the oppressed can never oppress'(or some similar garbage) and recently implied that Billy Konchellah should not have been punished for drugging and raping Finnish children. 'Spade Defecator' defended the idea that only black Africans are real Africans and praised the fact that the number of white 'colonialists' living in Africa is diminishing rapidly (due to genocide or the threat of it). El K believes Kiprop is the victim of a white conspiracy and uses pro genocide hash tags on Twitter. These guys certainly share the mentality of a Black Panther terrorist than I do a Stormfront skinhead.

Coevett wrote:

wretw wrote:

You are a freakin loon.

Hmm. ViveLaRepublica has stated 'the oppressed can never oppress'(or some similar garbage) and recently implied that Billy Konchellah should not have been punished for drugging and raping Finnish children. 'Spade Defecator' defended the idea that only black Africans are real Africans and praised the fact that the number of white 'colonialists' living in Africa is diminishing rapidly (due to genocide or the threat of it). El K believes Kiprop is the victim of a white conspiracy and uses pro genocide hash tags on Twitter. These guys certainly share the mentality of a Black Panther terrorist than I do a Stormfront skinhead.

No! You lie.

You are a fvcking liar.

Why don't the brojos ban you?

Jakob is very good right now and would be a gold medal threat in at least the 1500 if Kenya does get banned, but Filip has said in an interview that he has likely already reached his physical peak. I would think his own brother would know more than you about his progression. Also getting in a 12:45 race is insanely difficult and would likely require other runners of similar ability to push him to such a time.

Coevett wrote:

Hmm. ViveLaRepublica has stated 'the oppressed can never oppress'(or some similar garbage) and recently implied that Billy Konchellah should not have been punished for drugging and raping Finnish children. 'Spade Detector' defended the idea that only black Africans are real Africans and praised the fact that the number of white 'colonialists' living in Africa is diminishing rapidly (due to genocide or the threat of it). These guys certainly share the mentality of a Black Panther terrorist than I do a Stormfront skinhead.

These are lies. Once again you've shown that you're intellectually incapable of having an honest discussion. Viva never said anything of the sort nor did I. You're unhinged.

spade detector wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Hmm. ViveLaRepublica has stated 'the oppressed can never oppress'(or some similar garbage) and recently implied that Billy Konchellah should not have been punished for drugging and raping Finnish children. 'Spade Detector' defended the idea that only black Africans are real Africans and praised the fact that the number of white 'colonialists' living in Africa is diminishing rapidly (due to genocide or the threat of it). These guys certainly share the mentality of a Black Panther terrorist than I do a Stormfront skinhead.

These are lies. Once again you've shown that you're intellectually incapable of having an honest discussion. Viva never said anything of the sort nor did I. You're unhinged.

No, you lot are lying to cover what you have said. An anonymous handle, using the language of ViveLaRepublica and his various alternatives, stated rather astonishingly that Grey was 'bullying' Konchellah when the latter was 'down on his luck' (or something to the same effect). He could only have meant by that Konchellah's conviction and imprisonment or drugging and raping two underage Finnish girls. To say the least, it was a very odd comment. It certainly makes some revolting sense, however, when you consider that VivelaRepublic very much did clearly state the view previously that the oppressed can never be oppressors (when I accused black posters of being racist here).

You, Spade Dector, gloatingly referred to the fact that the number of whites in sub-saharan Africa was diminishing 'since colonialism' (implying that they had no right to be there, even descendents of Boers who moved into mostly empty territory of their own accord to escape persecution in Europe). You were saying this in defence of Elijah Manangoi allegedly saying that he was a 'real African' because of the colour of his skin (black).

I said nothing at all about the number of whites in sub-saharan Africa. From looking over the Johnny Gray thread, I don't see Viva saying anything about him saying that Konchellah should not have been punished for rape. You are a liar, plain and simple. You are not capable of telling the truth and you constantly misconstrue or flat out make up statements by others to try to discredit them. It's the sign of a defeated person.

Real quick wrote:

Jakob is very good right now and would be a gold medal threat in at least the 1500 if Kenya does get banned, but Filip has said in an interview that he has likely already reached his physical peak. I would think his own brother would know more than you about his progression. Also getting in a 12:45 race is insanely difficult and would likely require other runners of similar ability to push him to such a time.

We discussed this in another thread yesterday. I doubt very much if Filip was meaning that Jakob was going to stop progressing. If he did, he's been proven wrong already because he said that before Monaco when most didn't even expect Jakob to beat the Brits let alone run 3:31, let alone go on to double Gold at the Europeans. Maybe Filip even wanted to lessen the hype and take a bit of pressure off Jakob. Look at how much he has progressed just this year, from his indoor season to the early season to the World Juniors, Monaco and now the Europeans. You'd have to be pretty foolish to believe he's now reached his peak. He might not run 12:45 before Tokyo, but I meant he would be capable of it in the right sort of race. He probably wont need to run those times to dominate in the next couple of years.

Coevett wrote:

It's looking inevitable that Kenya will be banned by the time Tokyo comes around. Assuming this happens, who are your picks for gold medals at this point?

It's still two years away, but my favourites for Gold in the men's middle and long would be :

800m : Kyle Langford

1500m : Jakob Ingebrigsten

5000m : Jakob Ingebrigsten

10000 : Alex Yee

Marathon : Galen Rupp

3000m Steeple : Evan Jager

Also, there's a good chance Kenyan times will continue to drop dramatically over the next two years with increased testing and the threat of a federation suspension, so these could be favourites for gold even if Kenya is given another chance.

After his great 3:40 today, Charlie Grice now clearly also is in the mix over 1500m.