Mo-Farah GOAT

Kid running after kipchoge wrote:

He is older than Bekele, older than Kipchoge.

Just a reminder. Goat my backside

He's a bit younger than Bekele actually, according to Wikipedia birthdays:

Bekele June 13, 1982 (35)

Farah March 23, 1983 (34)

Kipchoge November 5, 1984 (32)

Although maybe you know something about their real ages I don't. I've heard Kipchoge is older than he claims, for example.

I remember Flo Jo 's 10:49, Geb's 12;39:36, 2:03:59.

THIS *10000

I never understood why the dumb Letrun crowd believe that Mo Farah can not win if the Kenyans and Ethiopians go from the gun and make it fast race ?? I mean I dont think I will ever understand this , its a mind boggling ..

even the so called experts like Ventolin believes in this ish ..WOW just wow

A Sub-27 race or not, Mo is still the beneficiary of the weak era on the track.

And I won't call someone without a WR (screw that 2 miles indoor) "GOAT".

Ghfhjhgnjjmhh wrote:

Rapo. wrote:

Silly statement, people remember the racing, not running 16 seconds quicker in a time trial.

Without looking who was the 5k champ in 2003?

Vast majority of people's best moment of recent distance running is the famous Tergat vs Geb 10k in 2000. The reason, the pure drama and rivalry of racing. No one cares that the race was won in 27.18.

My first thought after seeing that race was that it may have sealed Farah as the best distance racer.

But who has he beaten?

Look at Gebrselassie's championship races.

1993 he beats the reigning world champ Moses Tanui and the world record holder Richard Chelimo.

Then Geb gets the world record and loses it to Hissou and gets it back then loses it to Tergat then gets it back again.

And he keeps racing them and 92 Olympic champion Skah and beats everyone every time.

1995, 1996, 1997, 1999

And the great duel to the line win over Tergat in 2000.

They ran 10,000m prelims making it tough to double back to the 5.

What champions has Farah beat? K Bekele in 2012 but so did his brother and Rupp.

Who has put up a fast time that Farah has beaten? No one, really.

All credit to Farah for beating everyone he faces.

But he didn't face the same level of competition that Geb beat over and over.

LOL here we go again

so once mo proved that he actually can win a fast 10k race , u run like a child n change the subject n talk about weak era ?? seriously

Sledge_hammer wrote:

He can't run 26:30, let alone 26:20-26:25.

No, Mo isn't Kenny B and isn't running 26:17.

The idea he can't run 26:30 doesn't sit with me. He just ran a 26:49 in a highly varied, uneven race with laps of varying speeds all over the place. Then entirely untroubled the whole race, he waits till about 150 to go and effortlessly blows everyone's doors off.

You don't close in 55, with most of that in the last 150, if you aren't very, very comfortable and controlled at the pace of the race. So, you're talking about Mo being totally comfortable in a race that went 26:49, but given all the surging and inconsistency it's really hard not to see that race as being closer to 26:45 or 26:40 effort. That stuff takes a toll. Mo ripped a 55 off that, tons of anaerobic capacity still left in the tank.

I'd say, at a minimum, Mo would be good for 26:30. It would not surprise me though if he got ridiculous pacing like Rupp did for his AR to 8k, that Mo could run 26:2x.

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Bekele's first 5k was run much, much slower than Farah's first 5k, in case the maths eludes you:

26:49-12:57 = 13:52

We have NO IDEA however fast Farah 'coulda, woulda, shoulda' run his second 5k given such a pedestrian start.

As I said, you cannot compare two tactical races especially in events as long and varied as the 10k. The pacing throughout both races was VASTLY different.

I'm not saying Bekele or Farah are better than the other, I'm saying you cannot look at one race over the other and say X runner would have won Y race.

Farahs last 120m was rapid, he found an extra gear no other 10k runner has ever shown. He only did enough to win on the last lap. How can you say with certainty that with Bekele on his shoulder he wouldn't push harder in the last 800m. Farah didn't look tired to me. Or that bekele wouldn't be tired from leading with Farah sitting on him, and Farah the 3:28 man might breeze past in the last 60m as El G did in 2004? You just DON'T KNOW.

Therefore it's conjecture with the aim of only trying to belittle Farah's achievements and it's a poor show by you.[/quote]

All great points here - and pretty much end any argument Rojo has put forth.

I'll propose what many have been saying for quite some time when it comes to championship racing - do away with the clock. The first man to cross the line wins. Unless you have a rabbitted time trial there is no need to have a running clock, and comparing times ran in different eras is IMPOSSIBLE.

Altho if this did actually happen there'd be much less to talk about here...

tony the tiger wrote:

LOL here we go again

so once mo proved that he actually can win a fast 10k race , u run like a child n change the subject n talk about weak era ?? seriously

I don't think a single person has said what Farah did in the 10k yesterday was anything short of impressive. It was an extremely good showing. It's what haters and fand alike have wanted for literally years. But...

It's just not quite Bekele caliber. One great race does not make the GOAT.

Hmmm Mo wrote:

Bekele's first 5k was run much, much slower than Farah's first 5k, in case the maths eludes you:

26:49-12:57 = 13:52

We have NO IDEA however fast Farah 'coulda, woulda, shoulda' run his second 5k given such a pedestrian start.

As I said, you cannot compare two tactical races especially in events as long and varied as the 10k. The pacing throughout both races was VASTLY different.

I'm not saying Bekele or Farah are better than the other, I'm saying you cannot look at one race over the other and say X runner would have won Y race.

Farahs last 120m was rapid, he found an extra gear no other 10k runner has ever shown. He only did enough to win on the last lap. How can you say with certainty that with Bekele on his shoulder he wouldn't push harder in the last 800m. Farah didn't look tired to me. Or that bekele wouldn't be tired from leading with Farah sitting on him, and Farah the 3:28 man might breeze past in the last 60m as El G did in 2004? You just DON'T KNOW.

Therefore it's conjecture with the aim of only trying to belittle Farah's achievements and it's a poor show by you.[/quote]

All great points here - and pretty much end any argument Rojo has put forth.

I'll propose what many have been saying for quite some time when it comes to championship racing - do away with the clock. The first man to cross the line wins. Unless you have a rabbitted time trial there is no need to have a running clock, and comparing times ran in different eras is IMPOSSIBLE.

Altho if this did actually happen there'd be much less to talk about here...[/quote]

+1

Rojo is so anti-NOP/Nike that his "conjecture with the aim of only trying to belittle Farah's achievements ...(is) a poor show" but I wouldn't expect anything different of him

I might be biased because I had the honour (in hindsight) to train a couple times with Mo in Flagstaff/Arizona way back in 2008 but I wanna chime in:

In my humble opinion Mo showed yesterday everything you could ask for. 10th world title on the track. 26:49. It was exactly that kind of race where many letsrunners said be4 "oh yeah... he will lose in this kind of race and sh!t the bed". He didn't. As they were begnning to up the pace at like 7000 meters into the race I thought "oh yes... that's gonna be interesting" as they splitted like 2:38 (8th k) and 2:39 (9th) k and like 61'' for te penultimate lap. But even being tripped Mo looked in control all the way to the finish line and one has basically to be insane to not accept that he could run AT LEAST 26:30ish. He might not be the GOAT. But he has to be considered.

And yesterday he showed that even after a rough season and 34 years old he shows the typical letsrunner that even in a fast race (it was the 2nd fastest WC race in all time!) he won relatively easy (I'm sure he had one more gear left on the home straight).

I feel like many people are not fair to Mo. He delivered. Once again.

Pikachu

Mo's pace in that race wasn't as varied as the front runners.

Up front, they keep changing the pace while Mo was more steady and drafting the whole way.

I never agreed with those that said that setting a fast pace was the way to beat him.

That made it harder on them. And unless you are much more fit than Farah, you're not going to beat him in a fast race.

He is unbeatable against today's runners because he has more endurance, more speed and more racing savvy than anyone in the world right now.

Whogivesaf wrote:

Who gives a fuc@ for records?

Gold is what really matters

Records will go away....

Does anybody remembers who held the records 20/30 years ago?

Mo is by far the Goat( and for my English dont need to say I am mot Brit)

Records stay in the history books just like the golds.

No son,

They just don't.

Championships mean it all records are vapor.

It is unfair to Mo to diminish this great win by dragging it into an argument like this.

Mo delivered, and delivered in a fast race at the world champs level.

It is impressive, and absolutely worth remembering.

Dragging it down to this same old boring argument is a waste of time; Geb won lots of stuff and ran faster than anyone in history at all kinds of distances, and KB came and totally dominated two surfaces and broke Geb's records, and set records that still stand, and moved on to a #3 all-time record on a new surface. These are different levels altogether, and really this stuff is over in the GOAT thread, and Mo's great win should be celebrated without dragging it down by trying to push it into a world record level discussion.

Mo Farah is not even top 15 in all time fastest runners list.

Bekele had the cross country golds too.

In 5000m Farah is not even top 25.