I think somebody sabotaged Cavendish's title for individual TDF stage wins.
I think somebody sabotaged Cavendish's title for individual TDF stage wins.
Another giver of +1 wrote:Cav didn't have a lane. He was behind Sagan and then tried to squeeze through a space that wasn't there.
Yes he did. He was in the same lane as Demare and on his wheel. Sagan was left and Cav had a gap. If Sagan had stayed left Cav would have passed him and still been on Demare, but Sagan went right and closed the gap.
And remember, the TDF immediately ascribed guilt to Sagan. Something they would not have been likely to do given his popularity and importance to this year's Tour unless the violation was so clear. And it was. Sagan had a lane to stay left, off the curb
Hurl wrote:
Best part:
Cav was checked at the finish by real doctors, and was not significantly injured.
Then Cav checks the Twitter machine, and magically he has a broken shoulder and can't start the next day.
Who can turn up a photo of Cavendish riding today or tomorrow, holding onto the handlebars like usual (bonus points if he's body-checking another cyclist who happens to be near)?
What?? It was clearly obvious Cav had a busted shoulder by the way he held is arm over the finish line.
Cab acted the weasel and forced this.
Deserves a broken bone or two for it.
Sagan got jobbed.
MarathonMind wrote:
Another giver of +1 wrote:Cav didn't have a lane. He was behind Sagan and then tried to squeeze through a space that wasn't there.Yes he did. He was in the same lane as Demare and on his wheel. Sagan was left and Cav had a gap. If Sagan had stayed left Cav would have passed him and still been on Demare, but Sagan went right and closed the gap.
And remember, the TDF immediately ascribed guilt to Sagan. Something they would not have been likely to do given his popularity and importance to this year's Tour unless the violation was so clear. And it was. Sagan had a lane to stay left, off the curb
You are farking dreaming my friend. Quick question to you - have YOU ever got your bike up to 60km/h at the end of 5 hours riding at 40km/h? All your "Sagan staying left" is so easy to subscribe to as a fat chump on his computer and not a TDF professional.
The TDF attributed this to Sagan because they acted on the shock and emotion of Cavendish eating it and the fact that his management team basically stormed their bus acting like lunatics acting out their agenda (which is about the only explainable part of this whole ordeal). I mean who else is this attributed to? The guy wrapped in band-aids or the guy who comes out of it healthy? You moron.
What else you are overlooking is Cavendish's history of creating havoc and accidents in sprints like the complete psychopath he is. TDF, Olympic games on the track, headbutting, shoulder checking - he is the most dangerous rider in the history of the sport. So yet again an incident with Cavendish and now its all on the guy with no history of involvement in things like this. Give me a break.
So if you are just a chopper from Manchester like Cavendish perhaps you can do what Cav should, sparing us and the peloton - retire.
Stitchmo wrote:
MarathonMind wrote:Yes he did. He was in the same lane as Demare and on his wheel. Sagan was left and Cav had a gap. If Sagan had stayed left Cav would have passed him and still been on Demare, but Sagan went right and closed the gap.
And remember, the TDF immediately ascribed guilt to Sagan. Something they would not have been likely to do given his popularity and importance to this year's Tour unless the violation was so clear. And it was. Sagan had a lane to stay left, off the curb
You are farking dreaming my friend. Quick question to you - have YOU ever got your bike up to 60km/h at the end of 5 hours riding at 40km/h? All your "Sagan staying left" is so easy to subscribe to as a fat chump on his computer and not a TDF professional.
The TDF attributed this to Sagan because they acted on the shock and emotion of Cavendish eating it and the fact that his management team basically stormed their bus acting like lunatics acting out their agenda (which is about the only explainable part of this whole ordeal). I mean who else is this attributed to? The guy wrapped in band-aids or the guy who comes out of it healthy? You moron.
What else you are overlooking is Cavendish's history of creating havoc and accidents in sprints like the complete psychopath he is. TDF, Olympic games on the track, headbutting, shoulder checking - he is the most dangerous rider in the history of the sport. So yet again an incident with Cavendish and now its all on the guy with no history of involvement in things like this. Give me a break.
So if you are just a chopper from Manchester like Cavendish perhaps you can do what Cav should, sparing us and the peloton - retire.
This.
If cycling was like driving and riders had to hold crash insurance, Sagan would be like a middle-aged lady who had never dented a car. Cavendish would be a 30-something with multiple at-fault crashes on his record.
The entire sprint group, including Sagan, was drifting to their right. Cavendish tried to bully his way up the right against the barrier and got squeezed out. When he bashed Sagan trying to come around him, Sagan's arm came out naturally for balance. Pretty normal when getting bodychecked at 60 km/h.
How can you be so adamant when basically every professional disagrees with you?
Right. The TDF officials are not professionals.
Too many are looking at this with a hate on for Cavendish instead of with an objective view. His priors have nothing to do with this incident where it was decided to enforce the rules.
MarathonMind wrote:
Right. The TDF officials are not professionals.
Too many are looking at this with a hate on for Cavendish instead of with an objective view. His priors have nothing to do with this incident where it was decided to enforce the rules.
Yes, the TDF officials are professionals. They are clearly in the minority opinion. I agree Cav's prior actions have nothing to do with this, and the majority of cyclists looking at the incident alone and not coming to the conclusion you are. But they must all be biased or wrong according to you?
stryker drilling wrote:
MarathonMind wrote:Right. The TDF officials are not professionals.
Too many are looking at this with a hate on for Cavendish instead of with an objective view. His priors have nothing to do with this incident where it was decided to enforce the rules.
Yes, the TDF officials are professionals. They are clearly in the minority opinion. I agree Cav's prior actions have nothing to do with this, and the majority of cyclists looking at the incident alone and not coming to the conclusion you are. But they must all be biased or wrong according to you?
I think he was saying they weren't professional riders. Bora Hansgrohe's lawyers will soon show CAS how the uci jury broke the rules.
MarathonMind wrote:
Right. The TDF officials are not professionals.
Too many are looking at this with a hate on for Cavendish instead of with an objective view. His priors have nothing to do with this incident where it was decided to enforce the rules.
Ahem, no. The official are French. It has been pointed out that removing Sagan pretty much guarantees a French rider will win a Jersey. Do try to keep up.
Everyone can be doped to the gills but god forbid you throw a bow. what a joke
Cavendish went where he should not have gone. But that is par from a guy who is recovering from illness and hasn't the condition.
The UCI commisaires DQ'd him but did not follow the protocol of speaking with him prior to the DQ.
So the law suit will find in Sagan's favor.
The ASO is also pissed with the UCI as it spoiled their event.
And it was Cavendish's team who pushed for the dq, after the UCI had merely dq'd him and took points off him.
So there is plenty to go around.
Sagan was not the cause of the accident.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWKO7Tgjlqp/
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD6kFyiV0AAvfeF.jpg
It is amazing that the UCI came up with the decision they did.
Thread over. Cav being Cav.
All of you who seem to think you know what's going on, let the adults handle this.
aasfsdfsdfasdf wrote:
Something important that nobody has mentioned so far:
When Sagan felt Cav on him (who cares if he knew who it was), he instinctively leaned into Cav to help them both stay upright. When Cav falls away, you actually see Sagan lose his balance and stop pedaling (this comes with the elbow flail) because Sagan wasn't able to lean into Cav anymore. I think this shows pretty clearly that Sagan was expecting Cav to stay upright and wasn't trying to take him out.
I and a few others have brought this up a few pages ago.
Sorry, I actually read the whole thread, but didn't see it mentioned anywhere that riders try to lean into each other for stability.
aasfsdfsdfasdf wrote:
Sorry, I actually read the whole thread, but didn't see it mentioned anywhere that riders try to lean into each other for stability.
But Cav leaned into and did not have the strength to push Sagan into other rides. Instead he bumped back and was unable to compensate because he had nowhere to go to make a correction; he was too close to the wall and the waving arms of the fans. It was Cav's decision to make the head bump to create space where none existed. It was Cav's decision to instantly unclip and take the inevitable fall.
MarathonMind wrote:
Right. The TDF officials are not professionals.
Too many are looking at this with a hate on for Cavendish instead of with an objective view. His priors have nothing to do with this incident where it was decided to enforce the rules.
His "priors" have nothing to do with this? They have EVERYTHING to do with this. I mean at this point I am certain you are just trolling everyone here so again, why not retire to your oily little Manchester cave and grease it up over "Cav the Chav" as much as you like
All you morons who didn't already realize Cavenish is a POS and this is his MO, make sure to pay attention to cycling a bit more than three or four days a year. What you'll notice is Sagan winning a bunch and not causing much trouble at all, and Cavendish somehow involved in a fair number of sprint crashes every month.
Here, taking out Veelers:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/11/article-0-1ABE6961000005DC-694_634x385.jpg
Here, after taking out most of the field in 2012:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/05/article-2168802-13ED07A4000005DC-598_634x441.jpg
TDF 2014, because, you know, Cav:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/05/article-2681660-1F69308000000578-995_634x360.jpg
It's just the Olympics, after all:
http://www.stickybottle.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Cav.jpg
TDF 2013, because dude can't handle his bike:
Oopsie at the Tour of Slovenia:
http://i.eurosport.com/2017/06/16/2109542-44148059-640-360.jpg
Get the picture yet?
Lean on me wrote:
aasfsdfsdfasdf wrote:Sorry, I actually read the whole thread, but didn't see it mentioned anywhere that riders try to lean into each other for stability.
But Cav leaned into and did not have the strength to push Sagan into other rides. Instead he bumped back and was unable to compensate because he had nowhere to go to make a correction; he was too close to the wall and the waving arms of the fans. It was Cav's decision to make the head bump to create space where none existed. It was Cav's decision to instantly unclip and take the inevitable fall.
Yeah I'm not blaming Sagan, I'm saying Sagan reacted as if he thought he'd have someone to lean on. Cav pretty much crashed himself out.
