Hey how about doing something like weight lifting did, get rid of metric distances and go back to imperial units and drop the 385 yards from the marathon. We could start afresh with new records and retire the old ones.
Hey how about doing something like weight lifting did, get rid of metric distances and go back to imperial units and drop the 385 yards from the marathon. We could start afresh with new records and retire the old ones.
The critical issue is that whoever is proposing such nonsense thinks they can actually catch the cheats. The dopers will always progress faster than the vampires. ALWAYS! This is a fundamental aspect of human nature: the desire to expand oneself is more powerful than the ability to limit another's expansion.
Doping will continue to advance. It doesn't fit in with our morals, but its march forward can not be stopped so long as technology is progressing.
The IAAF is wasting their limited resources with this stunt. They would end up getting sued by WR holders and whether they won or not they don't have the financial might to deal with those lawsuits.
The Scot wrote:
Where would this leave the 2005 10000m Bekele record? Presumably he doesn't meet the pre-record testing requirement?.
Since the E. Africans to this day avoid out of season testing for the most part, they should let things stand as they are, crap records or not. Guys like triple jumper Jonathan Edwards get the shiv while cheats will still hold distance records. In some ways the IAAF is actually trying to bend to PC edicts from certain quarters.
As far as KB goes, people with sense know he's one of the best responders ever to EPO if not other endurance enhancing drugs.
Truth (or Duck) 2022, you are too much negative.
If IAAF starts with some new rule, we can immediately see if the records are clean (or, at least, "more clean") or not.
Look, for example, at throwers.
Years ago, it was practically impossible to achieve PB in top championships, because they needed to quit their regime with steroids long time before the competition.
In Rio, we had athletes as Ryan Crouser, winner of shot put with 22.52, able to improve his PB, the same for Christoph Hartig (PB with 68.37), while Thomas Roehler went very close his PB (90.30 vs 91.28). In 2015, Julius Yego improve twice his PB for winning WCh in javelin.
About women, Anita Wlodarczyk bettered her World Record (but in this event we can't have any comparison with the past, because before 2000 didn't exist), Michelle Carter bettered her PB in shot put for winning (20.63), the same for Sara Kolak in javelin (66.18).
On the other hand, all these performances are very far from the old WR :
SP : Men (22.52 vs 23.12 = -2.6%) - Women (20.63 vs 22.63 = -8.84%)
DT : Men (68.37 vs 74.08 = -7.71%) - Women (69.21 vs 76.80 = -9.88%)
JT : Men (90.30 vs 98.48 = -8.30%) - Women (66.18 vs 72.28 = -8.44%)
HT : Men (78.68 vs 86.74 = -9.29%) - Women (WR)
If we go to analyze the all-time lists, we can see (Women) that the first 21 performers in SP are before 2000, and the first 17 of DT are before 1992.
Among men, the first 5, and 10 in the top 15, had their PB before 1990 in SP, while in DT there are 10 of the first 16 performers who did their PB before 1983, and for HT 17 among the first 19 performers did their best before 2005.
It's clear that something happened : the tests against steroids are more effective, and, if there is some new drug, this can't give the same advantages on the performances.
About long distances, you already know my opinion, and I can guarantee that Mary Keitany, Vivian Cheruiyot and Florence Kiplagat (for naming only the athletes who made the history in the last 8 years in Kenya) are completely clean, and want be tested frequently OOC, because are the first suffering the general skepticism about their performances.
they changed the weightlifting records but didnt stop the doping ..............
records were changed in 1998 , more to do with restructuring
less and DIFFERENT weigthdivisions and more condensed format
and due to women competing at olympics for first time in 2000 .
maybe somewhat for the dominace of russians in men and chinese in women
and previous other changes due to format changes too.
As for athletics no body likes to be deceived or lied too
that is what it has become all about , from top to bottom .
dont forget seb was doper supreme and mp , expert at it .
infact deception and lies and secrecy is unchristian
so that means iaaf is unchristian and nothing but satanic / luifering
IAAF is Garbage wrote:
The Scot wrote:Where would this leave the 2005 10000m Bekele record? Presumably he doesn't meet the pre-record testing requirement?.
As far as KB goes, people with sense know he's one of the best responders ever to EPO if not other endurance enhancing drugs.
Nonsense. Drivel. Anbessa is a saint. #SaintBekeleâ›ªï¸ #1237 #2617
bways01 wrote:
Hello, you said " Mark Bloc" . Wonder why she never tested positive as with the majority of elite athletes.
Notice after 2013 her career took a dive after her Super Strength performance in London the previous year. That W100m stands out as a race between 3 beasts.
Never clean, Check out her 2009 season when she dropped her pb at The Berlin Games and then went on to run 10.60s at the end of the season.
Yeah, but unfortunately for you, you have zero evidence, just suspicions. When you make a stupid statement like that it's slander. You can state your opinion based on your suspicions, and I admitted I had the same suspicions of Jeter. But it doesnt change fact. She has tested clean. Sadly accusations about her ruined her for endorsements.
With Flo Jo the consensus is she was dirty, but her trainer, Darrell Robinson, admitted he gave her drugs. So that is considerable evidence. Find anything on Jeter at all other than your mindless slanders.
Stfu, you pedophile reetard. No one cares or reads about your brainless posts
Renato Canova wrote:
I think this a very unfair idea, and personally think never can become active, and legal, if somebody goes to CAS.
There are, of course, WR under doping (if never there was a new record in throwing or in the Women events, apart some of them, after 1988, there is a reason...), but there are WR achieved before 2005 from clean athletes, who can't pay because there were not the same rules that somebody wants to put today. This is clearly something unfair, because is not fault of the athletes if WADA destroyed their samples before 2005, so there is no more the possibility to test them again.
Which solution ? To start, from 1st Jan 2018, and with the new rules, a NEW LIST OF WR, considering the best performance in every event at the end of the year as FIRST RECORD (not only for World, but also for Areas Records and National Records in every Country).
In this case, we can clearly divide the athletic history in two periods :
the period with inadequate antidoping controls, and the period "under clear and scientific controls".
This can be the only way for cleaning athletics without creating unfair situations. There are no Countries where the law can be retroactive, and, since there is no any possibility to have the FULL PICTURE of all the previous WR (possibility to retest the samples, possibility to have the results of the OOC tests, that were different from today, possibilities to have same results using the machines of 30 years ago and the machines of today, etc.), to decide which record is clean and which record is not clean (with proves, not only looking at rumors and opinions) can't be a FACT, but something based on suspicions and without any evidence.
Swimming had the same problem, after the period of the "rubberized costumes", when every championship had WR in any event. At that time, the international Federation banned the costumes, but maintained the WR achieved in the same period and with this type of "technologic doping".
Now, after few years, the most part of those record have been already bettered, because the improvement in any event is very fast.
In athletics, we can't have the same situation, since technique and preparation are already more close to the limit, and there is no too much room of improvement. For that reason, I think that we can only look at two solutions :
a) All the current WR are still valid, and we can wait, in some event, some year for bettering them under the new rules
b) We begin with something completely new, starting the new chronology for WR, AR and NR from the best result, in any event, at the end of 2017 or 2018.
I agree it's unfair to clean WR holders like Radcliffe, El G, Powell, Edwards, and the like, but consider that this kind of reset already happened when FAT timing was instituted. All of those previous records were instantly obsolete.
Some dirty records like Flo Jo and Koch have very little chance of being approached by a clean athlete. They need to be thrown out.
Genzebe is a clean athlete who shattered a dirty record, but she is a phenomenal exception. In most cases that will not happen again.
This reset will give great athletes like Elaine Thompson and Schippers the chance to break world records. Schippers will actually be the 200 WR holder once this passes.
Alan Webb is the new WR holder in the mile!!!
wr potential wrote:
YouYouYou wrote:I've said for years they should do this, but I said they should use 1989, the year random testing was introduced, as the threshold.
How did they bring in testing? I've read that Ed Moses was behind starting it in the first place. Guessing it started in a few countries and increased gradually?
There were still things like China 93/97, BALCO 2003 etc. so before the IAAF started storing samples in 2005 it was obviously still lacking/underfunded/a marginal effort in random/OOC and medal winner testing.
Would all the WR holders have undertaken testing between 1989 and 2005?
They made random testing mandatory in 1989. '88 was the Ben Johnson and Flo Jo year and many other East bloc records were also set. It was the dirtiest year ever. It came after Koch had such outlandish results from doping in the years prior to that. So she had many copycats
After the announcement of random testing a large influx of athletes still in their 20s suddenly retired led by Flo Jo, who retired within a week of the announcement of random testing. After that WRs became a sudden rarity, especially among women.
Steroids give a bigger advantage to women than they do to men relative to competition with clean competitors because women have low testosterone starting point.
Women's WRs set between '89 and '05 were very rare outside of the farce Chinese times which were not only drug assisted, but run at shorter distances. And possibly with rigged clocks as well. Running a 1500m "WR" over the course of a 1460m distance, with clock that times a each second a fraction faster than an actual second
YouYouYou wrote:
Women's WRs set between '89 and '05 were very rare outside of the farce Chinese times which were not only drug assisted, but run at shorter distances. And possibly with rigged clocks as well. Running a 1500m "WR" over the course of a 1460m distance, with clock that times a each second a fraction faster than an actual second
Drugs, yes, short distance, corrupt timing, no. It was the same track used for the 1990 Asian Games. The men ran nothing spectacular. Foreign correspondents in attendance watched the whole thing. Omega timed the races. They ran the full distances and were full of drugs.
Actually there have been very few women's WRs at all since 1989 until the most recent years. Then an explosion. Isinbayeva and Wlodarcyk did theirs in newer events. But many old events saw WRs recently.
Dibaba, Ayana, Harrison, Jebet, all within the last two years.
Defar and the elder Dibaba traded the 5K back and forth around ten years ago.
Vlasic got close to the HJ about five years ago. And her mark will be the new WR
Schippers will have the 200 and that was two ago. She and Thompson can likely go faster than that too
I am all for removing all the dirty records, but why replace them with more dirty records? Drug testing today is still far from full proof. And some countries are not interested in being drug free, e.g., Russia, Kenya, Jamaica. Many competitors in these PED countries stay in their countries using drugs and train (safe from out-of-competition testing). Then they stop using the PED's, wait a few weeks and then travel the world to compete.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
YouYouYou wrote:Women's WRs set between '89 and '05 were very rare outside of the farce Chinese times which were not only drug assisted, but run at shorter distances. And possibly with rigged clocks as well. Running a 1500m "WR" over the course of a 1460m distance, with clock that times a each second a fraction faster than an actual second
Drugs, yes, short distance, corrupt timing, no. It was the same track used for the 1990 Asian Games. The men ran nothing spectacular. Foreign correspondents in attendance watched the whole thing. Omega timed the races. They ran the full distances and were full of drugs.
They didn't set those records at a national meet. No men ran at all. Only Ma's Army women ran. It was a staged farce meet in November. A 19 yr Chinese girl with a previous PR of 11.69 ran a 10.77 and never ran faster than 11.5 after that.
It was a track built specifically for that meet and destroyed immediately after. Omega clocks were not used. They were Chinese clocks.
Even a truckload of drugs would not take anyone from a n 11.69 to a 10.77
Mark Boen wrote:
I am all for removing all the dirty records, but why replace them with more dirty records? Drug testing today is still far from full proof. And some countries are not interested in being drug free, e.g., Russia, Kenya, Jamaica. Many competitors in these PED countries stay in their countries using drugs and train (safe from out-of-competition testing). Then they stop using the PED's, wait a few weeks and then travel the world to compete.
People like you are an embarrassment to this country.
Clearly you have no clue how this " society" works.
Certain times can only be achieved with the help of performance enhancing drugs.
You ever wonder why they are called elites??
Feadmjll 2.5 wrote:
The critical issue is that whoever is proposing such nonsense thinks they can actually catch the cheats.
The IAAF is wasting their limited resources with this stunt. They would end up getting sued by WR holders and whether they won or not they don't have the financial might to deal with those lawsuits.
1. So according to you no one has ever been caught doping. Thanks for showing what an idiot you are
2. No one will have any grounds to sue because no one is being individually targeted. They are just instituting new guidelines
You never miss an opportunity to prove what an imbecile you are
Genzebe clean when her coach stashes EPO in another athletes hotel room and nobody clean has come within 5 seconds of her time!