PROF ROSS TUCKER ("Sports Scientist") tweets his DOPING SCALE (ZA): Wayde van Niekerk 5, Farah 9.5, RUPP 10

If Tucker's intention was to spart a debate on the nature of suspicion, then it was a clever ploy. But it's also likely to be misinterpreted as bringing science into disrepute.

But then again scientific studies often have questionable conclusions, so not many people take the science seriously anyway.

I would like to see him start a discussion on why we believe in certain drugs are supposedly performance enhancers and where this concept came from and how it makes people contradict themselves about such real and measureable concepts such as homeostasis (the body's regulation of temperature and energy release) and efficiency of movement.

Bang on Cleans! Good spotting. Farah has been caught out far too many times like this. But you know his excuse is that everybody is always asking him for selfies/photos and he really doesn't know all these people! But these pictures are always with suspect people in suspicious locations (Ethiopia, Kenya, Sabadell, Font Romeu, Flagstaff). That is why I am more suspicious of Mo then I am with Rupp or Centro, because they are never there.

rjm33 wrote:

That is a 21.88% increase in hemoglobin value in 2 days, from 12.8 g/dL to 15.6 g/dL.

Even severe dehydration, which causes a loss of plasma volume, and elevates Hb values, does not increase hemoglobin values more than 15%…even in extreme dehydration. Paula also won the race.

You're still writing this crap. Plasma volume can easily drop that much in 13 miles not 2 days. Why do you think heart rates go up so much when we are deydrated?

bobgob wrote:

1) Never failed a test

2) Never been accused. Zero allegations

3) Has been tested more times than any British Athletes (140x since 2010) and it's done by one of the strictest doping agencies in the World, UKAD. Compare that to the Ethiopian and Kenyan system, which is non-existent

Are you joking, or do you really think that "never failed a test" and "has been tested" a lot are arguments?

As for point 2, that is not true.

Furthermore:

- highly suspicious progression

- went to two drug cheat coaches (Salazar: Slaney; Jama: Driouch, at minimum)

- evaded a test by ignoring the doorbell

Also note that the last point stands against your claim of UKAD being tough. They sh/could have been him right there.

Jon Orange wrote:

rjm33 wrote:

That is a 21.88% increase in hemoglobin value in 2 days, from 12.8 g/dL to 15.6 g/dL.

Even severe dehydration, which causes a loss of plasma volume, and elevates Hb values, does not increase hemoglobin values more than 15%…even in extreme dehydration. Paula also won the race.

You're still writing this crap. Plasma volume can easily drop that much in 13 miles not 2 days. Why do you think heart rates go up so much when we are deydrated?

1) Tucker got the wrong data there: Hb went up from 12.0 to 15.6 g/dL, corresponding to an increase of 30%, not 22%.

2) The studies cited there and in the Paula thread - where such data were collected - prove your statement to be false.

3) Paula was also rehydrating during the race, and had 60 - 90 minutes time to rehydrate after the race (before the test).

4) Paula was - according to Hartmann - so successful because among other things, she never went into a dehydrated state.

Jon Orange wrote:

rjm33 wrote:

That is a 21.88% increase in hemoglobin value in 2 days, from 12.8 g/dL to 15.6 g/dL.

Even severe dehydration, which causes a loss of plasma volume, and elevates Hb values, does not increase hemoglobin values more than 15%…even in extreme dehydration. Paula also won the race.

You're still writing this crap. Plasma volume can easily drop that much in 13 miles not 2 days. Why do you think heart rates go up so much when we are deydrated?

So much for homeostasis.

Ha 700!! 😄classic. As I said in another thread I am used to another metric volume method eg mine is 162 instead of 16.2 But that multiple of 3 is an extremely correct observation it holds for my data. My hematocrit is 48.5.

Yeah I did forget Paula. Funnily enough I lived in the UK for part of 2003 and Paula's status among UK running was almost at Mo's level now. Above suspicion. My view was that she was turning up at key events and getting crushed by the Africans (who probably weren't clean) and for about two years when she moved to the Marathon she was totally invincible which at the time I thought was suspicious although I hoped that she may have found her true event and was training more effectively. Rather naively of me. Have you noticed how Mo c.2011-12 mirrors Paula c.2002-3.

From your data there is no doubt, she is a blood doper!! I can't argue. A full 10.

I know some top male runners who have run 64-66 for the half, and the truely unbelievable thing is that she was quicker than them.

It's actually an act of fraud.

Jon Orange wrote:

You're still writing this crap. Plasma volume can easily drop that much in 13 miles not 2 days. Why do you think heart rates go up so much when we are deydrated?

Moranic Orangic wrote:

So much for homeostasis.

Which proves, you don't know what it is.

Retarded Poster wrote:

Jon Orange wrote:

You're still writing this crap. Plasma volume can easily drop that much in 13 miles not 2 days. Why do you think heart rates go up so much when we are deydrated?

Moranic Orangic wrote:

So much for homeostasis.

Which proves, you don't know what it is.

educate us all

Retarded Poster wrote:

Jon Orange wrote:

You're still writing this crap. Plasma volume can easily drop that much in 13 miles not 2 days. Why do you think heart rates go up so much when we are deydrated?

Moranic Orangic wrote:

So much for homeostasis.

Which proves, you don't know what it is.

It sure as heck isn't yo-yoing blood values.

I'm still disturbed by this, Paula is clearly a blood doper, so disappointed.

What score do we asign the Brownlee brothers?

More tweets from the dope

oh, I just scored them because Syed asked. I should make a list and keep it updated though, with reasoning

I was doing it for any doping. Just suspicion. I reckon a lot of "innocuous" doping happens. Not to condone any, but I think

there's a difference between EPO and some of the stimulants for instance.

I'd be more skeptical of a Russian coming 10th than of a medalist, given what we know. Extreme example, but making the point

everyone starts at 3 and goes up based on different suspicions

How much blood would she need to transfuse to increase hemoglobin by 21.88%?

rjm33 wrote:

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The only way I know of that can increase hemoglobin values by 21.88% in 2 days is:

1) An autologous blood transfusion by Ms. Paula Radcliffe.

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Question: How long before either Ryan Crouser or Michelle Carter fail a drugs test?

rekrunner wrote:

How much blood would she need to transfuse to increase hemoglobin by 21.88%?

rjm33 wrote:

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The only way I know of that can increase hemoglobin values by 21.88% in 2 days is:

1) An autologous blood transfusion by Ms. Paula Radcliffe.

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Does an autologous blood transfusion allow oneself to still be "100% me"?

Okay, you broke down one point. Care to address the rest?

I am not trying to portray anything. These are actions (or inactions) taken by UKAD. Have I confused UKAD with other organizations above? No, I haven't. Your conclusion that it is one of the strongest systems in place is not supported by evidence. You make claims without discussing facts.