Dafne 21.63

Armstrong concentrated on the Le Tour and nothing else.

Peds may give an advantage, but hell, cycling has been drug riddled since bikes were first invented, especially after WW2 amphetamines were rife, and Fausto Coppi one of the all time greats once commented that if 10 pills before a race would kill him, then he'd just take 9 and win.

It's also worth debating what advantage dummy peds would give. Medical experiments have shown that people who simply believe they've been given drugs that will cure their condition become cured even though the pill(s) they were given were nothing but dummies. Similarly, an athlete's performance may increase just because they believe they've been given an artificial advantage when in fact they were given no advantage at all.

Point is though, peds only go so far. You also need a certain physiology to begin with and more than that you need a certain mental strength as well to be a winner, be dedicated, and keep on going when your body is screaming stop or drag yourself out of bed to train even when the weather is bad.

Whatever Armstrong was on, it was not much different to what (probably) everyone else in the peloton was on as well. His 7 wins don't make him the greatest rider ever, but yes, taking everything into consideration they make him the greatest TDF rider ever.

The way he got back on his bike after being brought off by a spectator on the summit to Luz Ardiden in 2003, and then having a problem with his pedals that almost removed his manhood and nearly brought him off a second time, but yet still having the mental fortitude to put everything aside and blast off the front is amazing whatever way one looks at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmnTCr0ubIE

As for Ullrich, Jan was never what could be called a truly world class climber, he was simply too bulky, and crucially, he climbed ascents in quite high gears. Armstrong always used lower gears up ascents and blasted his peers away with his higher cadence. Pantani, on his day, unbeatable up an ascent, but he simply didn't have the mental fortitude to be consistent, far too many demons in his head.

Armstrong was the best PED responder of all time.

It also depends on when you peak.

I ran my fastest ever 800m (2:10) as a 14yr old at a school sports day on a grass surface that was on an incline as well. Try as I might on a better surface with no incline I just never had that sheer speed again for some reason.

Athletes simply peak at different ages. Not unreasonable for an elite athlete to peak in their late 20's.

Regarding Koch's doping, as I pointed out, she was world record class at 60, 100, 200 and 400. No amount of peds will give you that range o/w there'd have been other GDR athletes with it and other women from different countries with it as well. Undoubtedly doped to an extent, but regardless, with her WR range, the number of WR's she set and the sheer daylight she could put between herself and the rest, she's still the greatest female sprinter the world has ever seen, esp over 1 lap.

Averaged 2:47 for the last 3K. A little faster than her national record of 8:22 and only 2 seconds shy of what g dibaba's indoor record of 8:18.

She would have done a better job than gebrehiwet and kejelcha against mo 'dope boy' farah.

She is a real talent. Could be the first women to go under 14. It will be tough. I hope she goes for the WR

I'm really glad she won and about the way she did it - the W5000 would have been boring for the next ten years hade G.D stayed with her to outkick her with ten seconds on the last lap.

And her arrogance about someone possibly coming from behind cost G.D the silver too.

Also, Mo Farah's competitors probably took notice - THIS is how you beat someone with a 1500 worldbeater kick - you have to take it from 3000 out, with close to WR pace for that 3000.

Forget the crazy dutch .....

what does one Victor conte make of worlds

Where is this speed in events coming from.

aduck2022 wrote:

Forget the crazy dutch .....

what does one Victor conte make of worlds

Where is this speed in events coming from.

Kenya.

If Felix is on drugs, should would have been on drugs since she was in HS.

i'm logical guy

i seen lotta sprints

i wanted to post before 200 that i expected her to run 21.6+ (~ 0 wind) off her 10.8 , but caught-up elsewhere with mid-D

don't laugh :

i wanted to post dutch-21'6 but too busy with "morons" elsewhere

only Gwen in '95 shape has had "better" shape outside flo-jo in 200

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khes8szCNlA

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If it was my guess .. I would say that dafne is on steroids.. I don't care if acne runs in her family or not..

Acne is not the only sign of steroid use..

Tren can create power without creating size... Therefore i'm going to guess that dafne is on tren...

Do you know how i know? Look at her shoulders.. That's how you tell..

Typically steroids grows out the shoulders more than any other body part...

Because there are more androgen receptors in the shoulders...

I don't care how hard a female works out... There is no way you can get to look like a man physically without taking steroids.. There's no way a female can get shoulders like that..

Not to mention she has a certain hardness to her muscle tone...Extremely low body fat.....

These are all signs of steriod use.. Especially in a female... I don't care how hard you workout.. You don't look like that naturally...

She has bigger shoulders than me and i'm 6 foot tall and 234 lbs right now and i've been lifting naturally for over 21 years... So i don't want to hear everyones crap of how you think she's natural.. Because i don't...

In my mind the only reason why she hasn't been caught is because the people in her country do not want to catch her..

IF they can't even successfully test every single athlete in track at least once per month then what makes you all so sure that anyone is not using steroids?

It's pathetic..

This is why the testing needs to be better... There are too many athletes from too many countries taking too many steroids..

The testing is lenient..

Are all olympic games winners tested on the day of winning? No they are not.. Are they tested a week before the games.. A week after? No they aren't

Then getting to the tests... They are expensive.. Are they using the most expensive testing on all of the athletes ? Or are they using the cheap tests which don't tell everything?

The testing has such a long way to go that it's not even funny..

This is why i never believe anything i see on this planet anymore.. Because i cannot personally verify that anything that i'm watching is 100 percent natural..

And I can't verify that anything that i'm watching is 100 percent on steroids..It works both ways..

So therefore the only thing we can do is guess...

If it was my guess .. I would say that dafne is on steroids.. I don't care if acne runs in her family or not..

Acne is not the only sign of steroid use..

Tren can create power without creating size... Therefore i'm going to guess that dafne is on tren...

Do you know how i know? Look at her shoulders.. That's how you tell..

Typically steroids grows out the shoulders more than any other body part...

Because there are more androgen receptors in the shoulders...

I don't care how hard a female works out... There is no way you can get to look like a man physically without taking steroids.. There's no way a female can get shoulders like that..

Not to mention she has a certain hardness to her muscle tone...Extremely low body fat.....

These are all signs of steriod use.. Especially in a female... I don't care how hard you workout.. You don't look like that naturally...

She has bigger shoulders than me and i'm 6 foot tall and 234 lbs right now and i've been lifting naturally for over 21 years... So i don't want to hear everyones crap of how you think she's natural.. Because i don't...

In my mind the only reason why she hasn't been caught is because the people in her country do not want to catch her..

IF they can't even successfully test every single athlete in track at least once per month then what makes you all so sure that anyone is not using steroids?

It's pathetic..

This is why the testing needs to be better... There are too many athletes from too many countries taking too many steroids..

The testing is lenient..

Are all olympic games winners tested on the day of winning? No they are not.. Are they tested a week before the games.. A week after? No they aren't

Then getting to the tests... They are expensive.. Are they using the most expensive testing on all of the athletes ? Or are they using the cheap tests which don't tell everything?

The testing has such a long way to go that it's not even funny..

This is why i never believe anything i see on this planet anymore.. Because i cannot personally verify that anything that i'm watching is 100 percent natural..

And I can't verify that anything that i'm watching is 100 percent on steroids..It works both ways..

So therefore the only thing we can do is guess...

And after looking at her instagram page.. I now see an enlarged vein running from the inside of her shoulder to her chest...

Another symptom of small to medium steroid use is pumped up versions of vericose veins... That usually show up in the shoulder area in heavy steroid users as well as all over their body...

First off.. She's a female.. I'm going to guess that she's on a light to medium amount of steroids for this vein to really become enlarged like it is...

This is how i usually find out who's on steroids in guys..

The guys will have a combination of pumped up looking vericose veins, spider veins, and small little growth just beneath the skin... The veins can sometimes appear like they stack up upon each other...

These are all really good signs of heavy steroid use in guys....

Now for dafne... She might just be on a small to medium amount.. But even that is unhealthy and it's not who she really is.. So why do it?

Does anyone have info on when was the last time she was tested and at what intervals? What was the test? How long ago? How long in between tests?

This is why the testing system sucks.. It needs to improve.. It needs to become cheaper for each test so that they can test more athletes more often..

There's no reason why every athlete in the world should not be tested every single month...

You have to remember that some parts of the world look at steroids as some type of vitamin or something.. That's how dumb some people in this world are..

This bodybuilding magazine article agrees with you on varicose veins, though there are other ways of getting that appearance (mainly it is low subcutaneous fat), such as being thin and in shape as well as lifting.

http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/all-in-vein/

ventolin^3 wrote:

i'm logical guy

i seen lotta sprints

i wanted to post before 200 that i expected her to run 21.6+ (~ 0 wind) off her 10.8 , but caught-up elsewhere with mid-D

don't laugh :

i wanted to post dutch-21'6 but too busy with "morons" elsewhere

only Gwen in '95 shape has had "better" shape outside flo-jo in 200

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khes8szCNlA

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Thank you so much for posting this run, she ran that same time that year in Koln, lane violation or not she blew the field away.

Can't comment on others, but I've always had very large veins and I've always been 100% natural. I also pump up really fast when lifting, by "fast" I mean I get big and defined after just a few workouts. The strange part is I get that pumped up look but am not at all strong, can barely bench more than my body weight. I can dead lift a lot for my size but have strong legs and hips. So what does that mean? By today's standards, people would think I'm juicing. I've known women buffer than Schippers, who I'm pretty sure were 100% natural. Billions of people in this world, bound to be a few who defy normal physiology.

In vein I train wrote:

lol great name

The funny thing is that you have zero proof that they are natural...

So who are you talking about? Friends that you know personally?

Your statement doesn't make any logical sense..

Have you personally conducted steroid tests on all of these people?

Or are you just as gullible, naive, deceived, deluded, and fooled as the majority of other people on this planet by these so called athletes?

You need something called 100 percent proof..98 percent proof isn't enough..

Therefore seeing that we can't 100 percent verify that anyone is on steroids and that we can't verify 100 percent that anyone isn't...

Then we can all just blame it on the 1930s and the invention of steroids.. because they really screwed over alot of people...

There were certain things that were never meant to be invented.. And steroids is one of them...

It's some type of flaw.

I do not believe anyone now... Because i don't have proof of anything...