Anyone else think this standard attempt by Hasay and Erdmann is a little pathetic?

Does anyone still think that the Bannister, Chataway, Brasher record attempt is pathetic ?

boils down to the pacers gender for me...

Randy Oldman wrote:

Why is this any different to Bannister's mile?

point taken

but

The extreme steps they are taking to validate the gender of pacers is at the core of my dislike. Team Salazar has published it is all being done to provide a boon to these runners. So none of the manipulation of this one event is really for the benefit of the permit holding meet in any way shape or form.

... and truth be told I do not remember the wording of the rules during the Bannister barrier assault (but I do know there was something about pacers and what makes a race legal in the IAAF's eyes in the rule book at the time) to even think of defending or attacking the Bannister race was illegal also point of view with surety.

Roger Bannister's famous inaugural sub 4 mile was very much like this race for Erdman and Hasay. The setting was local to Bannister, he had his "rabbit" and it was basically a meet set up for his attempt. For years, the first sub 4 has been heralded as one of the great and historic track events of all time. What has changed is that then the world welcomed and praised innovation and success. Now we are now a world entitled and jealous people, who are so self-centered that they find the need to look for something to criticize about anything that is not about THEM. Yes, these angry self-centered folks (ie LR posters) have this pathetic need to have the spotlight on them, and it angers to see someone else putting in the work and effort to achieve success. Afterall, too many people today think THEY are entitled to success (mommy told them how special they are). Their confusion over someone else's work-ethic and success leads them to anger and jealousy. So, yes, it is PATHETIC and the pathetic ones of those who cannot stand the success of others. They are waiting on baited breath, hoping Hasay and Erdman will not get their standards. Waiting and hoping that they will have someone else's failure to make them happy again. PATHETIC? Of course.

And then the smoke cleared and a new world emerged. This one has two races specifically designed for them to have the best chance to get Q at two different location neither at the Monday night meet.

to answer the OP's question

yes

apparently Steve Magness thinks it is pathetic

https://twitter.com/stevemagness/status/355887345423233024

"Erdmann/Hasay now chasing 10k standards in 2 different races.I'm sorry but this "Chase" is ridiculous. It's a mockery"

I'm guessing things with Salazar didn't end well...

Magness, whose writing and coaching I respect, is, in this case, foolish. What in the world is wrong or ridiculous with two races? Suppose they weren't teammates, and suppose their respective coaches didn't want them competing against each other, and each coach set up a different race. Would that be ridiculous? Would it be wrong if two teammates who needed the standard in, say, the 1500, attempted to achieve the standard in two different races (Monaco and Heusden)? Is it problematic that Cory McGee is taking at least two cracks at achieving the "B" in the 1500? And maybe if she fails tomorrow a third race will be in the offing mid-week. Clearly what's going on is that Salazar thinks Hasay has the better chance to hit the "A". If she can, this makes Erdmann's task easier; if not, Erdmann will know that she has to run the "A" herself, and in what appears most likely to be better conditions.

someone had to do it wrote:

to answer the OP's question

yes

apparently Steve Magness thinks it is pathetic

https://twitter.com/stevemagness/status/355887345423233024

"Erdmann/Hasay now chasing 10k standards in 2 different races.I'm sorry but this "Chase" is ridiculous. It's a mockery"

I'm guessing things with Salazar didn't end well...

Also, it's more than a bit unprofessional for Magness to chime in as he has. It would be one thing if a journalist asked him what he thought of the attempt. However, for one coach to comment on the judgment of another in an unsolicited manner, and in this case, someone who helped give his career a boast, that doesn't seem like fair game.

Magness, as the previous poster stated is foolish. Obviously he is a "very jealous man" who has no confidence in himself and has a chip on his shoulder. In fact, he should be ashamed of himself. This idiot has taken himself down big time and will no longer have any respect from anyone in the running world. But then again, he never did anything to begin with! Anything to say to this Magness? You loser!

If I was Alberto I would have been a little more definitive on the date of the race, but only because as an athlete that is what I'd prefer. If Alberto thinks more uncertainty is less of a negative to his athletes than the positives from finding better weather, I can't really disagree with his process.

I do not criticize using whatever opportunities legally exist (male pacers, two races, etc.) to reach the standard. In my mind the competitive, true racing component of making the World team happened in Des Moines where Hasay and Erdmann placed 2nd and 3rd in less than ideal conditions, running smart gutsy races. The next criteria on the checklist is not a competitive one and is simply meeting a qualifying time criteria. I don't think they owe it to anyone (fans, Hastings, Goucher, etc.) to meet some kind of altruistic competitive code in how they go about trying to hit that time as long as it meets whatever criteria the IAAF has established.

While I'm sure the athletes will appreciate fan support, there I don't see a large competitive or entertainment component to these races. If the goal is 100% to hit a qualifying time to make a World Championship team, what is wrong with taking advantage of every possible advantage that is legally allowed to meet the criteria?

In all fairness to Magness, I don't think he took the time to evaluate this situation before he stuck his foot in his mouth and made such a statement. He probably wishes he never commented in the negative fashion that he did. He's certainly not contributing in any positive way to the professionalism we all try to contribute to the sport as coaches and mentors, and as fans.

Who in the heck is this Steve Magness? And what does his opinion have to do with anything?

Like the last poster noted, if Roger Bannister can do it, so can Jordan Hasay!

Jordan you rock on! We'll all be cheering Sunday night. This is exciting!!!!!

Very smartly put--thanks.

Except the rules don't allow for male pacers. It (barely) allows for men and women to run at the same time if it is a matter of convenience for a meet to run on time or two merge two small fields.

Well said, hayward102. Also, let's not forget this is a 10k and not a 1500--much harder to bounce back and repeat an effort if things go sour for the athlete in the last 1/4 of the race.

Clearly, you make things up as you go. You say "the rules don't allow for male paces"--What rules? Whose rules? Where are they publicized? The IAAF standards say nothing about pacers, nor could they, because otherwise all Diamond League distance results would be rendered nugatory. You say, "It (barely) allows for men and women to run at the same time . . . ," however, setting aside what "it" refers to here (presumably the plural "rules"), what in the world do you mean "barely"? The IAAF standards articulate exactly when mixed races can count for the standard, and the criteria you lay down are not comprehensive. The IAAF explicitly discusses long distance races, something you fail to mention.CONDITIONS FOR THE VALIDITY OF PERFORMANCES:Performances achieved in mixed events between male and female participants (see Rule 147) will only be acceptedunder the following circumstances:For all field events and races of 5000m and over held completely in the stadium the results will be:1. Automatically accepted if achieved at National Permit competitions2.Accepted only with the Area Association's approval if achieved at competitions under IAAF Rule 1.1 (i) and (j)3. Never accepted if achieved at competitions conducted under IAAF Rule 1.1 (a) to (h)For road races (marathons and race walks) the results will always be accepted.

save the gizzards wrote:

Montesquieu wrote:

Very smartly put--thanks.

Except the rules don't allow for male pacers. It (barely) allows for men and women to run at the same time if it is a matter of convenience for a meet to run on time or two merge two small fields.

So are both running on Sun or is the race split and each running a different day?

best I can tell the last position is Hasay will try for an A at a stand alone event at a different track but still connected to Mondays permit holding meet then Erdman will run, at a third location, for a B if Hasay gets an A or if Hasay gets a B Erdman will have to run A standard to get a berth on the team. Should one not get the standard needed Hastings goes with her A. If both fail to gat a standard Goucher gets to go with Flanagan and Hastings.

If they loaded the plane today Flanagan, Hastings and Goucher have uniforms and would go. Erdman and Hasay still have to earn a berth and uniform.

I suspect that Alberto will have Erdmann run in Eugene at Hayward Field on Thursday evening. An All-Comers track meet will be held on Thursday, so they already have a good location, officials and a track meet scheduled.

fecker wrote:

Wattley wrote:

Run it at Hayward's and call it a lap short.

Just an honest mistake, anyone could have made it.

Worked fine at Hilsdale this year when that D3 girl got away with officially running 34:07 or something like that...

You mean that girl that w on the 10k at nats?