Why pitch these two now Americans against each other at all?
The really interresting question to speculate about is this: If someone had talked Lagat into start doing the 10000 ten to twelve years ago... how many of Kenenisas world and olympic titles since then would have been silvers instead?
ukathleticscoach wrote:
A great Kenyan is not exactly news
Yes, this is true, great East African born runners are a dime a dozen.
Now remind me, why again were you Brits making such a big deal out of Mo Farah?? Oh....THAT's different. Suuuure.... ;-)
(GOT you there, coach)
(oh yes, he grew up in GB. Sorry coach, it's the genes. You can take an East African out of East Africa, but you can't take the East Africa(n genes, that is) out of the East African)
crazy raisin wrote:
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:In typical Rupp fashion, he refused to lead a step until the bell. A strategy that has better served him in beating up on collegians than racing big boys. Apparently.
LOL. Other than a couple early jogging laps, Lagat didn't lead until the home stretch. I suppose you're suggesting he wait longer?
Lagat led for over 8 minutes of the race that's over half the race...
didn't marion jones get off on the epo b sample testing
look what she was doin......
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/trackandfield/news/story?id=2639981
"Lagat won the 2012 PRE Coulda Shoulda Woulda award"
-do your homework and become a student of the sport, and you'll see that lagat has a few championship medals to his name...far more than rupp has currently and will ever have.
Ylwl wrote:
I said in the OLYMPICS, they have the SAME COLOR MEDAL - SILVER. LAGAT HAS NOT WON GOLD, RUPP HAS NOT WON GOLD. They have both WON SILVER, meaning they have both achieved the same level in their sport.
This is the stupidest thing I have read today on Letsrun, and that's saying a lot with morons like you polluting the boards.
Would you also say that Stefano Baldini has "achieved a higher level in the sport" than Paul Tergat?
You gibbering imbecile.
Exposeee wrote:
The ridiculously slow U.S. 5k indicates, along with prior performances, to other athletes:
-- Rupp does not have the kick to win, or place high in, a really fast race.
-- Rupp does not have the kick to win a really slow race, but he could end up top three to five.
-- Rupp does have the kick to place top three in a fast race, as long as it is not too fast.
+1
LM wrote:
Basically to me Rupp currently is a fit, mid tier internation 5000m runner and top tier 10000 guy, that has shown medal ability in a specific type of race. If he wants to be a consistent contender he needs to show/have some of the other options available.
Lagat is arguably 2nd best, certainly one of the all time best 1500m runners. I think its safe to say that no one is, or should be, comparing Rupp to Haile, Tergat, or Komen type runners...and it isn't much of a reach to say he never will.
Well said.
A Duck wrote:
People give be crp for slamming the haters, yet I have never come on here and posted hate threads against one athlete.
Who does that (and probably the same dudette under 3 diff handles.)
Rupp-Certified-Saladtosser
Wow. Yet ANOTHER homophobic slur. And who from? You guessed it: another Rupp fanboy. The source of 100% of the bizarre homophobic slurs on this thread. Interesting.
Come on, guys, what's with all the gay stuff? Stick to running, mmkay?
Dsa23 wrote:
Lagat tested positive for epo in 2003
2003? Of course this falsehood comes up. You are like those who still say Obama wasn't born in the US. Nobody is listening, but you just keep talking to yourself in the corner.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
no Olympic medal is a fluke
Wrong.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
On that day he was 2nd best in the world and there was no luck involved
Repeat after me: Slowest silver since 1992.
A Duck wrote: probably the same dudette...
rupp-certified saladbar wrote: Come on, guys, what's with all the gay stuff?
A Duck is likely a Dudette, and was playing the Dude side for that particular post.
Remember, A Duck is Totally Quackers.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
A great Kenyan is not exactly news
Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:
Yes, this is true, great East African born runners are a dime a dozen.
Now remind me, why again were you Brits making such a big deal out of Mo Farah?? Oh....THAT's different. Suuuure.... ;-)
LOL.
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
Wrong.
Wrong
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
Wrong.
Ho Hum wrote:
Wrong
Great point.
What does slowest since 1992 mean? Is that supposed to mean something? I think Lagat's winning time at the US Champs 5000m was the slowest since 1882. Point?
Csls wrote:
What does slowest since 1992 mean? Is that supposed to mean something? I think Lagat's winning time at the US Champs 5000m was the slowest since 1882. Point?
Slowest since 1882? Really? Does that mean that he was faster the Roland Harold Forsythe's 19:42 in 1883?
Assuming that you mean 1982, yes, it means that I don't think winning a sit-and-kick 5000 in 14:54 proves that Lagat is currently the best 5000 meter runner in the US.
Just as Rupp NEVER WAS, IS NOT, AND NEVER WILL BE the world's second-best 10,000 meter runner.
He would have been OBLITERATED by Lagat if BL had been in the London 2012 10,000. And he would have been OBLITERATED if (a) the best in the world actually ran the Olympic 10,000 or (b) the pace hadn't been the SLOWEST SINCE 1992.
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
Csls wrote:What does slowest since 1992 mean? Is that supposed to mean something? I think Lagat's winning time at the US Champs 5000m was the slowest since 1882. Point?
Slowest since 1882? Really? Does that mean that he was faster the Roland Harold Forsythe's 19:42 in 1883?
Assuming that you mean 1982, yes, it means that I don't think winning a sit-and-kick 5000 in 14:54 proves that Lagat is currently the best 5000 meter runner in the US.
Just as Rupp NEVER WAS, IS NOT, AND NEVER WILL BE the world's second-best 10,000 meter runner.
He would have been OBLITERATED by Lagat if BL had been in the London 2012 10,000. And he would have been OBLITERATED if (a) the best in the world actually ran the Olympic 10,000 or (b) the pace hadn't been the SLOWEST SINCE 1992.
I suppose we'll see soon enough how Rupp stacks up.
I was one who predicted with great confidence that Rupp would not be top 5 at the OG. He proved me to be badly mistaken. Kudos to him.
Obviously he does not need to do anything more to validate his excellence. Silver in OG is extraordinary. He was 2nd best on the only day that matters. Again kudos to him.
Now, if someone wants to say it was a 'fluke' if he cannot again break top 5 at WC or OG so be it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Peter Andersson wrote:
Why pitch these two now Americans against each other at all?
The really interresting question to speculate about is this: If someone had talked Lagat into start doing the 10000 ten to twelve years ago... how many of Kenenisas world and olympic titles since then would have been silvers instead?
Pretty confident they would still be gold. Lagat would never run 12:57 in the second half of the 10,000m race.
Someone Else's Else wrote:
Now, if someone wants to say it was a 'fluke' if he cannot again break top 5 at WC or OG so be it.
Someone Else's Else, you are a reasonable person.