someone had to do it wrote:
fly a kite wrote:Peter Snell is reported to have run up to 130mpw, as an 800/1500m runner.
this is completely untrue
It's true. Doco on Snell said he ran 100 miles a week in base phase + a second (not counted) daily run.
someone had to do it wrote:
fly a kite wrote:Peter Snell is reported to have run up to 130mpw, as an 800/1500m runner.
this is completely untrue
It's true. Doco on Snell said he ran 100 miles a week in base phase + a second (not counted) daily run.
I'm kind of surprised that so many on here are so critical of Cam. If he blows up, what is it to you? I enjoy reading about him as he is following his heart and it works for him. As well, in one interview he talked about working with his sprint coach each summer during college and when you look at those NCAA races (or his 27:27) the guy looks like a freakin' sprinter at the end, he obviously takes this stuff to heart. Give him a couple more years of this (he's still a relative newby) and who knows what can happen. Strength, speed and awesome form. He could be the next great, great runner. If not, it'll just be someone else. Enjoy the ride, I say!
First of all, why would you assume he isn't doing "quality" runs? Secondly, if I go from 100 mpw to 130 and get faster, then go from 130 to 160 and get faster again, why would I assume that 160 is as much as I should do and stop there? Why would I not continue running more until I get to the point where I'm convinced that running more is not making me faster?
If Levins had been no faster on 160 than he'd been on 120-130, then sure, you'd wonder why he'd run even more. But that's not the case here.
That is the video of levins running like 14:52ish. This was the summer of his sophmore season. However he also ran like 14:09 a month or so later on the track.
I think he is using EPO. High mileage doesn't give you stupid kicks.
I for one am tired of the idolization of Cam levins on these boards. It's pathetic to make this faker/liar/doper a hero because he is supposedly 'blue collar' or some bull
Watch Peter Snell run with a stupid kick. Here's a guy who ran 100 miles a week in training, plus easy mileage that was never logged in to his books, worked and played other sports like tennis and cricket.
Why would an 800m world record holder run what was likely 110 miles per week or more during the non racing season?
Having the stamina to be able to lay the hammer down late in a race is the purpose. This was learned at least 60 years ago. Common place now.
Mile repeats are primarily still aerobic in nature, and do not provide the so-called kick.
Strides on a soccer field (alactic) done weekly also help...
If Cam does not get faster from 190 miles per week, then he will be the wiser for trying it. If he indeed gets faster, he will still be the wiser for it. You have to venture to gain - sorta what HRE was saying.
Couple things:
Peter Snell has himself said if he ran down the driveway to pick up the milk, he counted it. He wasn't secretly running a 150 miles a week. For an 800/mile guy, the 90-100 a week Snell was doing was plenty. Even more indicative of his intelligence was that Snell's thing was running 1000 miles in 10 weeks instead of worrying about if each week was over 100. 93 one week, 107 the next, who cares? It all comes off in the wash. The point was Snell was doing what was right FOR HIM. If Bill Baillie or Murray Halberg had been running more, GOOD! They were doing what THEY needed. As a primary source, Snell himself said he wasn't running secret mileage that didn't get logged.
HOWEVER:
Running roughly 90 miles a week, Cam Levins was running something like 3:47 for 1500 and 14:20 for 5000. How many of us would get to that point and say "well, fair enough. I gave it a good go, I tried my best, and, as it turns out, I'm pretty good but not an elite" ?
Cam Levins got to that point and said "F that, I've got faster times in these legs."
Running the mileage Levins has run has taken him from 3:47/14:20 to 11th at the Olympic Games. It doesn't matter if he never improves (though I think he will). It doesn't matter if he has reached his peak and the next 10 years or so are a slow decline. How many of us, as roughly 4:06 milers at 90 miles a week, decided "I have more to give" and were able to pull it off?
I hope Levins keeps getting better. I think he's a nice guy (solely from his interviews). But if he never, ever does- well, he's improved much more than I did from high school. He's gone to the Olympic Games and closed the 2nd half of his 10k faster than he had ever run a 5k only a year before.
a Brit wrote:
I'm kind of surprised that so many on here are so critical of Cam. If he blows up, what is it to you? I enjoy reading about him as he is following his heart and it works for him. As well, in one interview he talked about working with his sprint coach each summer during college and when you look at those NCAA races (or his 27:27) the guy looks like a freakin' sprinter at the end, he obviously takes this stuff to heart. Give him a couple more years of this (he's still a relative newby) and who knows what can happen. Strength, speed and awesome form. He could be the next great, great runner. If not, it'll just be someone else. Enjoy the ride, I say!
No way for me! I love Cam Levins. And I don't love all elite runners. But I like Cam. Why? I love his story. I love his attitude and I love watching him run. I like his interviews.
muscle imbalance wrote:
Canada coach wrote:Because he has already done better than 99.9% of the low mileage North Americans who think they can get somewhere on it.
what is "low mileage north americans"
less than 190 per week?
because most of the world would be low mileage by that standard
If his knee blows up tomorrow, he has still had more success than you idiots who think you know something.
yes because anyone who disagrees that 190 miles per week is the optimal way to train is clearly an idiot
But he wasn't because Levins has balls. He shows that in training and he showed that in the Olympic 10000 final.
yes, anyone doing less than 190 per week is a pu.ssy
The lesson here is that if you train average like everyone else, you'll be left in the crowd. If you want to be the best, take a chance and do something different, as well as train hard.
galen rupp was doing less than 100 miles per week until 2011. he ran 13:07 and 27:10 off of less than 100 per week. both faster than cam.
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Great, you gave the one and only example possible, but I was talking about the other 99.99%
Well said.
When I interviewed Levins at that race that I videod (Twilight Shuffle 5k) from the back of a Harley Davidson (it was a cop driving - and I wasn't wearing a helmet, nice, eh!). He said, "I am going to go to 100 miles per week this summer." That was in June, he was just sub-15.
But whatever, you make good points. There are conflicting stories about Snell's mileage, but if he said he logged it all then the likely story I see a lot of is mostly 90 mile weeks, but there were some 100s....hmmmm.
Anyway, you are bang on. What works for one individual may not work for another. Case in point was it Bailey or Puckett than ran very aggressively all the time...?? All Lydiard athletes - each of us are an experiment of one...
But developing one's aerobic capacity is THE point when running mileage, whether it be Snell-the-800m guy at 90 to 100 mpw or Levins-the-5 & 10-guy at 160 and 190....that is what they are doing.
Canada Coach wrote:
Great, you gave the one and only example possible, but I was talking about the other 99.99%
Sydney Maree, Bob Kennedy, Bernard Lagat, Alan Webb, Dathan Ritzenhein
No more than 110 per week average to run a PR faster than Cam has for any of the above
please just fade away now, you're annoying
One thing your missing ventolin is that all those guys retired or are heading towards the end of their career or are 7 years older than Cam (Ritz).
Keep grasping at straws to prove your idiotic point. I am continuously surprised at your absolutely terrible posting.
TLW wrote:
One thing your missing ventolin is that all those guys retired or are heading towards the end of their career or are 7 years older than Cam (Ritz).
Keep grasping at straws to prove your idiotic point. I am continuously surprised at your absolutely terrible posting.
rupp and kennedy ran faster than levins did at 5k at his age.
but please just go ahead and keep spewing nonsense to prove your idiotic point. I am continuously surprised at your absolutely terrible posting.
muscle imbalance wrote:
rupp and kennedy ran faster than levins did at 5k at his age.
add dathan to that list too
But not the 10k which is obviously Cam's better event.
You continue to miss the point.
And Dathan could barely beat Cam's 10k PR until recently? Is it not obvious Cam is a 10k+ runner?
TLW wrote:
But not the 10k which is obviously Cam's better event.
You continue to miss the point.
10k is galen's and dathan's better event too but both were faster them him at 5k and only marginally slower at 10k, mostly due to only running slower championship races
you are the one missing the point
running "average" mileages as compared to the standard levins had set does not mean you will "fade into the crowd"
grizz wrote:
Running roughly 90 miles a week, Cam Levins was running something like 3:47 for 1500 and 14:20 for 5000. How many of us would get to that point and say "well, fair enough. I gave it a good go, I tried my best, and, as it turns out, I'm pretty good but not an elite" ?
Cam Levins got to that point and said "F that, I've got faster times in these legs."
Running the mileage Levins has run has taken him from 3:47/14:20 to 11th at the Olympic Games. It doesn't matter if he never improves (though I think he will). It doesn't matter if he has reached his peak and the next 10 years or so are a slow decline. How many of us, as roughly 4:06 milers at 90 miles a week, decided "I have more to give" and were able to pull it off?
I thought this was incredibly well put.
You keep bringing up other guys who have run faster than Levins has on fewer training miles. Why? It's been established that when LEVINS was running fewer miles than now he was racing slower than he is now.