What are peoples predictions for the polls? What are the top 3 teams in the country?
What are peoples predictions for the polls? What are the top 3 teams in the country?
Men's-
1. North Central
2. Haverford
3. Calvin
Women's-
1. Midd
2. Williams
3. Everyone else
interesting new polls. Not really surprised about the men's, and that didn't change, but that was quite a shake up for the women's poll.
WashU 2nd?, MIT 1st? very, very interesting that Middlebury got knocked down so low and Williams didn't crack the top 3.
The polls are a joke. NYU men fall from 12 to 19th after winning an invite. I dont know where they really belong, but they havent lost to rochester (or chicago for that matter) in years.
There hasn't been a single significant meet yet; I'd bet most women's teams haven't even raced a full roster. Don't get your panties all in a wad about early season polls.
I have an honest question about how the polls work (or don't work). I will preface by saying that I understand its early in the season and that the polls simply provide something to talk about and some recognition for some teams but ultimately mean nothing until after nationals.
Anyway, my specific question is how are these polls conducted. It seems to me that after the Rochester meet last weekend, where the order of D3 teams was : Geneseo- 105 Rochester- 115 Dickinson-117 Cortland-128, that those teams should follow the same basic position on the national poll. Geneseo should have a little gap, maybe between 2-5 spots, then Rochester and Dickinson basically dead even with a little gap to Cortland. On the most recent poll though one can see that Dickinson is ranked beneath Cortland by a fairly large margin even though they just beat them this past weekend. Thus my question is not are the polls correct or even are they useful, but how are they taken. Seems to make no sense that Rochester and Dickinson finished 2 points apart and one is ranked #12 and one is ranked #20 with identical average times.
The aforementioned results:
When I was a region rep, the polls were done like this:
1. Region rep either conducts region poll to determine top 10 or ranks top 10 on their own.
2. Region rep sends top 10 to other 7 region reps with as much detailed info on the team as necessary and include a recommended national ranking.
3. Based on these recommendations from the other reps, each rep makes their own top 35 rankings and then forwards that top 35 to the national coordinator.
4. National coordinator tallies the top 35 (35 points for 1st, 34 for 2nd, etc). The final top 35 is sent back to region reps and to the USTFCCCA office for publication.
This process might be a bit different, as I stopped being a rep a few years ago. Honestly, at this point in the season, and sometimes later, it's a guess. Some reps take into account if a team rested people, have a top runner injuried or ran the race as a workout. Others take meet results as is, regardless. Polls are fun to look at, but seriously, they don't mean anything. Race results in the championships are the only thing that matters.
National Champ contenders according to NCAA:
Matthew Brinkmeier
Jordan Schilit
Chris Lee
Mark Phillips
Tully Hannan
Matt Rand
John Crain
weird feature
Um, pretty sure nobody's beating Tim Nelson this fall
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2012/9/14/MXC_0914121352.aspxeagergereg wrote:
Um, pretty sure nobody's beating Tim Nelson this fall
yup, nobody is going to beat Nelson this fall...
Clam Evans wrote:
http://www.ncaa.com/news/cross-country-men/article/2012-08-30/they-came-back-win-it-allNational Champ contenders according to NCAA:
Matthew Brinkmeier
Jordan Schilit
Chris Lee
Mark Phillips
Tully Hannan
Matt Rand
John Crain
weird feature
lol rand and hannon arent even the best runners in their region
umm? wrote:
Clam Evans wrote:http://www.ncaa.com/news/cross-country-men/article/2012-08-30/they-came-back-win-it-allNational Champ contenders according to NCAA:
Matthew Brinkmeier
Jordan Schilit
Chris Lee
Mark Phillips
Tully Hannan
Matt Rand
John Crain
weird feature
lol rand and hannon arent even the best runners in their region
they're the 2nd and 3rd returners from nationals last fall. dumba$$... and both care about running a lot more than the top returner. Chris Lee is the new englander that doesn't make sense. the other picks are equally strange other than schilit.
paintrain66 wrote:
eagergereg wrote:http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2012/9/14/MXC_0914121352.aspxUm, pretty sure nobody's beating Tim Nelson this fall
yup, nobody is going to beat Nelson this fall...
I obviously meant nobody in D3. So what if he lost to two D1 guys and a post collegiate at a meaningless season opener. He also beat Ohio State's entire team. He'll roll.
Haverford ran a meet yesterday. They run the same meet every year. This years results compare favorably to last year's results. Each position was a couple seconds ahead of last years. Schilit again not their top guy. If he has a shot at a title, which I assumed he would (had no idea Nelson was hanging around) he has some work to do. Best of luck to those guys, best in the region for sure.
More analysis than I could hope to give:
http://www.runnerunner.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6054&start=30
Checked Calvin's results from Friday. Saw Kramer didn't run. Does anyone know if he's hurt? It looked like all the other top guys ran.
jaydeegee wrote:
Checked Calvin's results from Friday. Saw Kramer didn't run. Does anyone know if he's hurt? It looked like all the other top guys ran.
Nick Kramer? Didn't he graduate last year?
Teams in the top 35:
MW 8
NE 7
AT 6
ME 4
CE 4
GL 3
WE 3
SO 0
sfsfdfg wrote:
Teams in the top 35:
MW 8
NE 7
AT 6
ME 4
CE 4
GL 3
WE 3
SO 0
and sadly the south gets to send 2....
D3lover wrote:
sfsfdfg wrote:Teams in the top 35:
MW 8
NE 7
AT 6
ME 4
CE 4
GL 3
WE 3
SO 0
and sadly the south gets to send 2....
damn the dirty south!
Clam Evans wrote:
Nick Kramer? Didn't he graduate last year?
He ran and was counted in their first race at the Knight Invite. I'm assuming that means he's back for another year.