1200 Hypothetical: Ngeny vs El Guerrouj vs Coe

ventolin^3 wrote:

until '04 it was more undetectable to take epo

yegorova frightened dopers & they looked for different

The ramblings of a lunatic.

How can something be "more undetectable"? It either is or isn't.

Your 'argument", which I use in the loosest term, is all over the place and contradicts itself on every turn.

If doping was cheap and undetectable then why spend thousands more on something equally undetectable and beneficial throughout the 90's up to 04? Because EPO got better results.

moron

you clearly have no clue about the topic

the epo test which wada lauded so much in '00 as "no false +ves" was found to be flawed in a commisioned study by french scientists - it gave false +ves

the test was revamped by '04 & a better one produced

sensitivity & specificty improved & therefore detection rates

& idiot, epo DOESN'T give better results than blood doping

all it is, is precursor to blood doping - latter gives immediate effect & not having to wait 2/52

Mainly 800m runners: Anatole Bolin, Sera Martin, Rudolf Harbig, Rune Gustafsson, Marcel Hansenne, Mal Whitfield, Audun Boysen, Peter Snell, Franz-Josef Kemper, Dani Malan, Rick Wohlhuter, Sebastian Coe

Mainly 1500m runners ("Milers"): Georg Mickler, Otto Peltzer, Jules Ladoumegue, Stanislav Jungwirth, Istvan Rozsavölgyi, Dan Waern (was wrong here),

Equally in both events: Sven Lundgren, Olle Aberg

And - yes - I know that Sebastian Coe wasn`t so bad over the Mile too...

So, my point that almost all the 1000m-record breakers are primarily 800m-runners was not true. But still a significant majority has an 800m background instead of an 1500m background.Not so surprising considering the fact that the "middle" of 800m and 1500m is at 1095m.

said88 wrote:

Mainly 800m runners: Anatole Bolin, Sera Martin, Rudolf Harbig, Rune Gustafsson, Marcel Hansenne, Mal Whitfield, Audun Boysen, Peter Snell, Franz-Josef Kemper, Dani Malan, Rick Wohlhuter, Sebastian Coe

Mainly 1500m runners ("Milers"): Georg Mickler, Otto Peltzer, Jules Ladoumegue, Stanislav Jungwirth, Istvan Rozsavölgyi, Dan Waern (was wrong here),

Equally in both events: Sven Lundgren, Olle Aberg

And - yes - I know that Sebastian Coe wasn`t so bad over the Mile too...

So, my point that almost all the 1000m-record breakers are primarily 800m-runners was not true. But still a significant majority has an 800m background instead of an 1500m background.Not so surprising considering the fact that the "middle" of 800m and 1500m is at 1095m.

Right you are,

Not to be disagreeable, but I'll still going to call a guy who won 2 golds in the 1500, and five world records at the distance (with the mile) an 800-1500 guy!

If it was all out then El G would win and if it was a championship race - which it more than likely would have simulated - then Seb Coe would have pulled away, just simply because he had the most balls.

And for anyone who doubts whether he had balls -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEU5XSeJ7mc

Ngeny

COE

ELG[/quote]

That's your opinion, fine. But from what your saying, it seems your views are based on the premise that Ngeny's and Coe's pbs at 1000m and 1500m are the absolute limit of what they were capable. I do not believe they were, so it's my opinion that Coe would be a match for both Ngeny and EL G over 1200m.

Just because Ngeny ran 0.22 faster 18 years later, that doesn't mean that if they were put together in either 99 or 81, that both would run their exact same pbs.[/quote]

No thats YOUR opinion now that I woke your head up. Or I guess I should say OUR opinion since we both share the same view now that Iv'e successfully proven you wrong. We are only determining who would win based on what they've ACTUALLY RAN. Start Living in reality. Not hypotheticals. No more playing with action figures Jhonny there not real.

Vegeta wrote:

Ngeny

COE

ELG

That's your opinion, fine. But from what your saying, it seems your views are based on the premise that Ngeny's and Coe's pbs at 1000m and 1500m are the absolute limit of what they were capable. I do not believe they were, so it's my opinion that Coe would be a match for both Ngeny and EL G over 1200m.

Just because Ngeny ran 0.22 faster 18 years later, that doesn't mean that if they were put together in either 99 or 81, that both would run their exact same pbs.[/quote]

No thats YOUR opinion now that I woke your head up. Or I guess I should say OUR opinion since we both share the same view now that Iv'e successfully proven you wrong. We are only determining who would win based on what they've ACTUALLY RAN. Start Living in reality. Not hypotheticals. No more playing with action figures Jhonny there not real.[/quote]

So in your real world based on what they've actually run, Symmonds beats El G over 1000m every time because his pb is 0.5 faster? Is that what you're saying?

If it is then I think you're a fool. Pbs don't tell everything about a runner.

A gap of 0.2 over a period of 18 years is pretty much irrelevant. In fact with the advances in tracks in that period I'd say Coe's effort was probably superior to N'geny, who had company to pretty much 800m.

Yes you would say that but the only problem is that your wrong.

1:40 800 wrote:A gap of 0.2 over a period of 18 years is pretty much irrelevant. In fact with the advances in tracks in that period

moron

what part of high-49 don't you understand ???

ventolin^3 wrote:

1:40 800 wrote:A gap of 0.2 over a period of 18 years is pretty much irrelevant. In fact with the advances in tracks in that period

moron

what part of high-49 don't you understand ???

Classic

Ngeny, easily.