I was referring to my evidence... notice how I corrected the figure and commented on it being weak in the same sentence.
I was referring to my evidence... notice how I corrected the figure and commented on it being weak in the same sentence.
chikin wrote:
I was referring to my evidence... notice how I corrected the figure and commented on it being weak in the same sentence.
ah sorry, I thought you were referring to mine...
Unholy Cumulus wrote:
Also why does she sometimes look smokin hot and sometimes look like a troll?
paper bag
Being able to dunk and knowing how to dunk are two completely different things
Keith Stone wrote:
For some reason I really want to order in some noodles..
You thinking along the lines of Pad Thai or more like a Rigatoni? Or dare I suggest a vermicelli?
o.o wrote:
Being able to dunk and knowing how to dunk are two completely different things
I agree with this. I think it's 50/50 as to whether she could eventually dunk, but I'm quite confident that if you just threw her the ball today and gave her 60 seconds to go for it, she'd never dunk in the allotted time.
Especially after seeing her handle in that video clip -- good God...
Who would you take in a scissoring contest-- Acuff or Vlasic? I think the key here is scissoring.
Unholy Cumulus wrote:
Also why does she sometimes look smokin hot and sometimes look like a troll?
Is just me or does she sound like a bond girl from way back?
The hand size issue is a big one. If she can palm the ball, I'd guess she can dunk. If not, probably not.
How/why did someone think to bump a five and a half year old thread about whether a Croatian high jumper can dunk?
Really dumb question....
When an American refers to a vertical jump, is it
(a) Sargent jump: how much higher can your fingers go, over what they reach standing? (Slap chalk on wall, or dunk basketball)
(b) The highest platform you can get your feet onto, knees bent?
I see crazy vertical jump figures all over the internet. And people posing in the gym getting their feet onto boxes without raising hips much. When I was a little nipper it was (a). I suspect a lot of people are talking about (b)
Dead Nike Lunar Forever 2s wrote:
Unholy Cumulus wrote:Also why does she sometimes look smokin hot and sometimes look like a troll?
Is just me or does she sound like a bond girl from way back?
"Now messta Bond you will die."
shows you how many videos disappear over a span of just a few years. how much from this era will survive the decades, let alone centuries?
because LRC is trolllllllll city, baby!!!
I have read this thread a few times in the past. Since it got resurrected not *that* long ago, I thought I'd quell some myths.
It is VERY important to note what "vertical" means.
People use the word "vertical" for:
1. Difference in hand height, standing two-foot jump. (Sargent test, Vertec)
2. Difference in hand height, running one-foot OR two-foot jump.
3. A box jump, getting your feet on a platform.
4. Something you can jump over. (a high hurdle)
5. High jump clearance. ("Javier Sotomayor has a vertical of over 8 feet!!!")
These get mixed up ALL THE TIME, multiple times in this thread alone. While #1 is correct, most people don't know that. It's unwise to assume the other person is using your definition.
Standing two-foot vertical and running one-foot vertical are VERY DIFFERENT! In average Joes, a "natural" jumper does best at both, but the more training you do, the bigger the difference.
**Standing two-foot: Powerful, muscular legs- Olympic weightlifter, shot putter, NFL player. Trained by squats, Olympic lifts (clean and jerk, snatch). I did 34" from standstill but only 33.5" off one foot on a full run.
**Running one-foot: High jumpers, long jumpers, a more slender type of athlete. The jump is a fast run combined with tendon elasticity, violently redirecting forward momentum into vertical. This person has have a much higher running jump than standing jump.
**Balanced: Most NBA players. Balance between elasticity and leg strength. More muscular than high jumpers but skinnier than NFL linebackers.
The NBA draft, measures two types of verticals- "max" (running start) and "no step" (standing). Max is 6-7" higher on average. Ike Nwamu had 13" higher (41.5" max/28.5" standing).
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements
The NFL tests standing vertical only. With stockier athletes, the best NFL verticals are 6" higher than the best NBA ones.
Stefan Holm is a very extreme case, with his standing vertical less than half his running vertical.
The video is a 2008 Japanese documentary. German title "Im Körper der Topathleten", French "Secrets D' athletes - integrale", English "Miracle Body". It has been posted, removed, posted again. You may be able to find it again with those keywords. I cannot find it on DVD.
Stefan's standing vertical and height-over-head-differential being both 23" is unfortunate coincidence, not people mixing it up.
Here is the Youtube thumbnail. It is up as of May 2017 and shows Stefan at the tip top of his jump testing on a Vertec and less than 25" off the ground.
From memory: Video starts with a closeup of Stefan by a Vertec measuring his standing reach, wearing dark grey. Then there's a wide angle shot of him doing a standing two foot jump at the Vertec. The height is AWFUL, and with a 25" vertical myself (I got old haha) I know what 23" hang time feels like, and he had it- the video is at normal speed. It looks like he is really trying too. The documentary says he jumped 59cm (about 23"). The documentary also contrasts his lousy vertical with Donald Thomas' 36" standing vertical.
Regarding Jesse Williams, 2011 world high jump champion:
"He pred with a 7-9.xx a few weeks back. He can't dunk from a standing vertical, he can probably get his chin above the rim off of a run..."
In this video, Jesse wins a dunk contest, then jumps off one foot from a hasty runup, getting his head 4" from the rim to show the crowd. That's an easy 43" running vertical at 6'1". If he really tried he'd get 48"+.
https://youtu.be/0PEIy9uyB90?t=1m
I've heard that Dwight Stones "said he couldn't dunk"; if so, he meant two feet because he was in the 1988 celebrity Foot Locker dunk contest. Two-foot vertical under 30". Said at high jumpers camp that training two-foot vertical is worthless.
Louise Ritter (5'10", PB 6'8" to win 1988 Olympics) could dunk a volleyball "easily" and "needed another inch" for a basketball.
I believe high jumpers are the best running-one-foot jumpers in the world. Male elites need about 45-48" to clear their PB heights, with people like Stefan Holm and Charles Austin 50". Women around 35", Antonietta Di Martino maybe 40". Ritter would need about 37" to dunk a volleyball easily, as she did. I can show the math if anyone wants.
Basketball vs high jump, and why we don't see that much crossover:
Running one-foot jump isn't useful in basketball. You seldom get space for a good runup. Breakaway sky dunk, that's it. Also, you can't do that many such jumps before injuring yourself.
Two-foot jumps are better in basketball. Dunking, blocking, rebounds, shooting, in crowded space. More repeatable, more controllable. Most high jumpers don't have great standing verticals which is a muscle thing.
Basketball players are 20-30 pounds heavier than high jumpers of the same height.
The best one-foot jumpers in the NBA can still go mid 40" range, which is close to elite high jumpers. *If* those basketball players were to master the high jump form, we'd get more 7'6" to 7'11" jumpers. The WR may be an inch higher. It's not like "if Michael Jordan had trained high jump for years he'd jump 10 feet".
Anyways, hope this was informative. This info was hard-won as I've been trying to crack the code to jumping. I know a ton more stats, numbers, stories, sources, math, videos. Available upon request but this is plenty long. Have a nice day!
She's a two-face
Le Grande Orange wrote:
She's a two-face
You dug up a 6 year old thread for that? What does that even mean in this context?
Russell Upsomegrub wrote:
The hand size issue is a big one. If she can palm the ball, I'd guess she can dunk. If not, probably not.
Have any of you retards gone to an elementary school playground with 8ft basketball rims? I looked like Dr J out there. You don't need to palm a basketball.
Kobe Bryant, Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Rose and Kevin Durant can't palm a basketball either, yet they all dunk with ease.