Lydiard anaerobic phase

The typical response is... wrote:

1. It's all Skuj's fault.

2. Wetcoast you are funny.

No I have said I am not the person Skuj. It is beyond understanding you to say that again and again. The Lydiard cult does not listen to me and you have stubborn minds. Maybe you are just making fun of me in Italy. I don't know. But I will laugh anyway.

I knew I should have used my real handle to post that- that was me.

IQ100, if only you were to embrace Lydiard as your personal lord and savior, you would see that Arthur actually invented not only letsrun (but gave credit to the brojos) but the internet (thereby allowing you to post) too! Also, you should respect him as the father of your country- Lydiard discovered Italy in 1959, just in time for Rome to hold the Olympics where Peter Snell won the 800 in 1960!

Arthur united the warring city-states of Italy in just two hours! And many contemporary historians mistakenly give credit to Giuseppe Anaerobaldi- how dare they. You should respect him more- he literally had sex with a geographical area and that area gave birth- again, literally- to Italy. So, "Father of your country" was NOT just an expression.

Your a pretty funny guy CM4h, cus you (falsely!) bashed Skuj some pages back for using aliases. (now deleted.)

CraigMac4h wrote:

I knew I should have used my real handle to post that- that was me.

Using aliases to make a very obvious joke = one thing

using aliases to be a jerk = another.

In that deleted post, I said something along the lines of "HRE, I dont think this is skuj, he's usually more polite than this."

And HRE said "in a private email, skuj told me he used a lot of handles when he didnt want to be polite"

So I said "wow, that's really lame. I've lost respect for skuj."

All of that was paraphrased, but I never bashed Skuj for using multiple handles. I "bashed" him for using different handles to be petty and mean. I was just expanding on IQ100's hilarious "Lydiard is a cult" joke.

Seriously, IQ100 is better than the guy who started the Teg Doesn't Run the 10k joke!

So now we are back to the gospel according to HRE, who repeatedly said Iq100 is Skuj.

You talked about how bad anonymous bashing is, and yet you said those things about Skuj (according to HRE, who just happens to be PATENTLY WRONG about Skuj being IQ100), and, the real kicker is, who are you? Do you see my point?

In a post that got deleted, I said I was Craig MacPherson, of Derry, NH. Hence my usual handle. I've got nothing to hide.

I was wrong to use a different handle to crack a joke. I'm very sorry. I won't do it again.

If I have proof that IQ100 is not someone else's handle that Skuj stole, then I will apologize to Skuj for thinking ill of him. I have no problem doing that. But HRE shared his reasons for believing the handle IQ100 is one that Skuj has taken on, and I think they're as good reasons as any.

Again, if IQ100 can prove he isn't Skuj, or that Skuj never used his handle, then I will apologize for being wrong.

CraigMac4h wrote:

In a post that got deleted, I said I was Craig MacPherson, of Derry, NH. Hence my usual handle. I've got nothing to hide.

I was wrong to use a different handle to crack a joke. I'm very sorry. I won't do it again.

If I have proof that IQ100 is not someone else's handle that Skuj stole, then I will apologize to Skuj for thinking ill of him. I have no problem doing that. But HRE shared his reasons for believing the handle IQ100 is one that Skuj has taken on, and I think they're as good reasons as any.

Again, if IQ100 can prove he isn't Skuj, or that Skuj never used his handle, then I will apologize for being wrong.

Guys, Skuj does not post on this message board anymore.

It's beyond me why there are a number of people who continue to bring him up in discussions, do you all miss him or something?

Did you ever search for Iq100, and read his posts regarding European XC? Is Skuj an expert on European XC, do you think? Did you see the comparison of 2 posts on page 5?

But my point is, you blindly take what HRE says as THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH, (and I KNOW he got it wrong), and you trash Skuj publicly, yet at the same time, you decry doing exactly that on letsrun.

BTW, line up behind HRE and Wetcoast, who also owe apologies to Skuj for the exact same reason.

That was to Craig not vic.

Drycoast = Skuj. Take it to the bank.

I don't take what HRE says as Gospel- but what he said regarding Skuj, and the reasons he gave for suspecting Skuj made sense to me and so I decided to believe him.

Now, you've brought some equally good evidence that IQ100 is not Skuj. So now I have to decide what's more likely:

1) IQ100 is Skuj, using a handle he borrowed from the original IQ100. I agree that the posts IQ100 makes about European XC, etc, show that, at least at one time, Skuj didn't have access to that handle.

2) IQ100 and Skuj are different people, and I owe Skuj (if he ever comes back to letsrun) an apology.

However, let me point out I never called Skuj any nasty names or resorted to personal attacks. I said that if IQ100 was Skuj, then I've lost respect for him. Wouldn't you lose respect for someone if you found out they were resorting to personal attacks and nonsensical arguments instead of saying anything valid?

All of my contributions to this thread have been either an attempt to defuse the argument or attempts to inject a little levity into the situation by making jokes- jokes that were not cruel or vicious or inappropriate.

Knowerer and anyone can think what they want. it doesn't matter. But when we say things that really cast bad lights on people (and you are doing it again actually, with no proof), and we really are wrong, then we have something to learn. Craig I disagree with you. Your deleted post was as bad as anything by HRE and wetcoast and it was wrong. My 15yr old knows who IQ100 is.

Would your 15 year old care to let us know who IQ100 is, then?

And I disagree that my deleted post was vicious in any way. If Skuj is IQ100, then he is behaving very lamely and he should cut the crap. If Skuj is not IQ100, then I owe Skuj an apology, which I will freely give.

Who's the one being unreasonable? I've set my conditions. All you're doing is saying I'm being cruel, I'm "just as bad as HRE" and I'm attacking people with no proof.

I haven't attacked anyone. You're attacking me. I'm now abandoning this thread because it's degenerated into a pointless, asinine debate that isn't going to get resolved.

I'm a big meanie, I'm a jerk, I bully Skuj and you and IQ100. I'm also out- peace.

Drycoast wrote:

Knowerer and anyone can think what they want. it doesn't matter. But when we say things that really cast bad lights on people (and you are doing it again actually, with no proof), and we really are wrong, then we have something to learn. Craig I disagree with you. Your deleted post was as bad as anything by HRE and wetcoast and it was wrong. My 15yr old knows who IQ100 is.

You're way out of bounds. Those deleted posts were rather innocent and in no way cruel. Stop trying to paint these good folks in a bad light just because you disagree with them. Sack up!

My agreement is that the posts should not have gone deleted. They provided no problem or harassment. To guess that I am the Skujee is not right but not a bad thing for me. I have no problems with someone else making mistakes like Lydiard. We all do that. The real problem is when his disciples try to force feed us his philosophy and not have an open mind. Think for yourself I would tell you. Take some of Lydiard, some of Daniels, some of Martin/Coe and others to make up your own mind instead of being a lemming and walking off the precipice. So Skuj may still post here with a different name but that does not make his observations more appealing. Speak for yourself and be honest about it. If we all did this the world would be a better place, yes?

Which of these are actually real problems:1) Lydiardists force feed philosophies with closed minds2) Lydiardists-bashers force feed the idea that Lydiardism actually exists as a cult3) Lydiardists force feed the idea that Lydiardists-bashing is a cult4) Following Lydiard like a lemming, and you will fall off a cliffI'm keeping my mind open. I think runners can train a lot worse than following Lydiard like a lemming. For example, taking pieces of Lydiard, and other pieces of Daniels, and other pieces of Martin/Coe, and mixing it all together.PS: I just read Daniels, and he has a lot in common with Lydiard

lQ100 wrote:

My agreement is that the posts should not have gone deleted. They provided no problem or harassment. To guess that I am the Skujee is not right but not a bad thing for me. I have no problems with someone else making mistakes like Lydiard. We all do that. The real problem is when his disciples try to force feed us his philosophy and not have an open mind. Think for yourself I would tell you. Take some of Lydiard, some of Daniels, some of Martin/Coe and others to make up your own mind instead of being a lemming and walking off the precipice. So Skuj may still post here with a different name but that does not make his observations more appealing. Speak for yourself and be honest about it. If we all did this the world would be a better place, yes?

The Light,

I agree with your post on several levels.

I have an older copy of the Coe/Martin Book, which I have read and still reference. I have a Lydiard book too, which I know well and know where to find his other stuff should I need to.

The first thought that entered my mind upon first reading Coe/Martin, was the similarities to Lydiard. Someone at that time, was indicating the differences between the two methods, which DO exist, as he had said they do.

However, I was surprised by the similarities - expecting as outlined mainly differences.

One thing, which really speaks to me from Daniels, Kellog, Lydiard and others I guess - especially Lydiard, is the whole 'understanding what you are doing' thing in his coaching. Empowering the athlete.

Also, the simplistic-ness as in lighter shoes, simply run slower if you are tired... etc etc.

I like the wholism-thing too.

The body and mind are their own experiment, each one of us. The Christian Calendar, the watch, the exactness of time and distance are opposite to the body, which is maleable, subject to it's own ability to recover; different on different days depending on how you eat, weather, age, natural ability, physical and mental stresses etc etc.

How can it be optimum to say to one person or all people, "today we do 15 x 400, no less, no more and exactly in 63 seconds per, with exactly X recovery".

It (TO ME) just makes more sense to set about doing 15 x 400 in 63 with caveats. - Do the 15 if recovered and prepared, if at anytime it doesn't seem right, correct what you are doing, like less/more volume, less/more recovery, less/more speed etc. Knowing the point is (in speed work) to bring down the ph level temporarily.

I see the 'specific' vs. 'know thyself' approaches as the only MAJOR deal maker difference between the two methods of Coe/Martin vs Lydiard.

I don't think a person can go wrong folling either method, as they are similar in the route method.