Wetmore makes me sick

Golden Buffalo wrote:

I could care less whether Wetmore's logic is substantive or not.

"could not" or "couldn't"

I don't remember more than one Kenyan ever running for Ron Mann. English is one of the languages spoken in Kenya.

correcting idiocy wrote:

"could not" or "couldn't"

Goddamn, I knew the same idiot from last night just simply could not refuse.

Golden Buffalo wrote:

Goddamn, I knew the same idiot from last night just simply could not refuse.

You only need to tell that to yourself, not post it here for others to see.

Jizzmo wrote:

I think they (schools) have an obligation to try and better the sport.

It doesn't matter that you think that, it isn't so. I see a LOT of responses here from people who have never tried recruiting an athlete to a university and never will.

"What foreign college recruites and pays for American college kids to come to their school to get an education and a chance to develop their sport at a higher level?"

Read my previous post.

This "point" is irrelevant and totally off-base. At overseas universities, athletics are not regularly affiliated in any way with universities. Runners in Europe (with minor exceptions in the UK) do not run for their university, but for their club. Rarely do they receive money to run for their club. It wouldn't make any sense for a European university to recruit American runners to run for their "team" BECAUSE NO SUCH TEAM EXISTS!

I've said this before and will say it again, foreigners are a good thing for the NCAA. They help expose American athletes to cultures and ideas that they may have never had a chance to have been exposed to. They also help to increase the level of competition in college athletics.

I wonder why no one is complaining that foreigners get scholarships for academic achievements to US colleges... Is MIT recruiting the brightest scholar from Germany the same as Iona recruiting a star runner from Scotland?

Here's my take. I think that Wetmore purposely doesn't recruit foreigners not because he dislikes them or has issues of them competing in the NCAA, but instead as a marketing tool to help attract the top US runners. By not focusing on foreigners, you attract all the semi-racist American high schoolers and also create an us versus the world environment that can be used as a great motivational tool. When you go to Colorado, you know that you'll be hanging around Americans on the team, and that no African hot-shot will take away your varisty spot. I'm sure both of those things are very appealing to a lot of recruits. It's all just a calculated strategy, nothing more and nothing less......

Fantastic Fred wrote:

I wonder why no one is complaining that foreigners get scholarships for academic achievements to US colleges... Is MIT recruiting the brightest scholar from Germany the same as Iona recruiting a star runner from Scotland?

Because this is a running site.

A hunch..... wrote:

you attract all the semi-racist American high schoolers

That is a low blow, hyperbole. Foreign runners are kenyan, south african, irish, english etc... Nothing to do with race.

A hunch..... wrote:

...When you go to Colorado, you know that you'll be hanging around Americans on the team, and that no African hot-shot will take away your varisty spot. I'm sure both of those things are very appealing to a lot of recruits. It's all just a calculated strategy, nothing more and nothing less......

True, I would think the same if Wetmore didn't talk about his guys like they were the hardest working athletes in the world. His analogy is ridiculous. All he is doing is poorly influencing high school athletes to think with prejudice. He is in a position of power and is setting a poor example.

Wetmore is a great coach and inspiration to us all. You should all learn from what he has to say instead of bashing his genius. Foreigners are a disease on the NCAA and Wetmore is one of the few coaches who understands that they are ruinning our pure sport by cheating to get over here.

Colorado is built from the ground up, meaning they only have real American athletes who are willing to work hard. People who dont sign with CU are just sacred that they won't be able to hang with that elite group of blue collar guys. That's why Wetmore and the BUffs can win national championships without any real standout guys. Look at Erik Heinonen for example he was just a average runner from Oregon before transfering to CU. Now look at him, an All-American. Colorado is the class of the NCAA and the teams that stoop to recruiting foreign filth are the festering low point of the NCAA!

I wish more people would try to build their cars from the ground up instead of buying a team that is prepackaged.

I used to run for an elite level college comprised almost entirely of foreigners, and most of them end up staying in the country and falling in love with it. Aside from the fact that they allow smaller schools to compete on a national level, many foreigners really do contribute to American society by staying and working. Most want to stay when their four years are up.

I dont see why it is any different for an American kid to dream of going to college at Colorado or Stanford as it is for a foreign kid to dream of coming to run at a school over here. I know that many many foreign runnners run with the goal of being given the opportunity to run in America.

Also alot of these runners aren't being "recruited" heavily. Alot of the times, these foreign athletes find the coach, at least was the case in my school's situation.

100% right is Wetmore - is wacko!!Please tell me that you are being sarcastic in your post! That is such garbage it is unbelieveable. Just because a few of the CU guys did not run up to their potential at the NCAA XC meet yet the team won does NOT mean that they don't have standout guys. They have IMMENSE talent on that roster. Look at what they did in high school.

I wish Wetmore would build his team from the ground up instead of recruiting Footlocker finalists that are prepackaged!

100% right is Wetmore - you sound just a little too nationalistic. Listen, Adolph, we need to protect these foreign athletes from psychos like you so they don't get exterminated.

They also have immense american talent on Wisco, Oregon, and Stanford. Iona has immense foreign talent. CU beat them all. Wetmore built his program to the point where FL finalist will go to CU. Getting Ritz and the Torres were huge. So is winning NC XC titles. Again Standford and Oregon recruit FL finalists. And its not like Solinsky sucked in hs.

Ha ha wrote:

100% right is Wetmore - is wacko!!Please tell me that you are being sarcastic in your post! That is such garbage it is unbelieveable. Just because a few of the CU guys did not run up to their potential at the NCAA XC meet yet the team won does NOT mean that they don't have standout guys. They have IMMENSE talent on that roster. Look at what they did in high school.

I wish Wetmore would build his team from the ground up instead of recruiting Footlocker finalists that are prepackaged!

Not one person here was saying that Wetmore did not coach well this season. Not one! Why do you people keep going around in circles and ignore what the main points are? Mark Wetmore acts like he builds these kids from scratch. I doubt Schumacher is saying that and he has a team that has won NCAA's and numerous great runners that have run for him. Wetmore acts like he is God - like he is takling kids that sucked in high school and winning NCAA's with a bunch of losers. He gets the best runners from high school in the US therefore his teams are great. Schumacher does the same. His teams are great. Vin does the same. His teams are great. Mark's team won NCAA's this year. He did a great job coaching. Do I have to dumb this down for you?

With that being said, American kids will not flock to Iona. He has foreign athletes and does a great job coaching him. I certainly do not respect Wetmore more because his kids are American. I respect him because his team won nationals. Great recruiting + great coaching = national championship. That does not mean that Byrne is not a very good coach. Ok, enough for now.

I want to take two seconds here to speak from personal experience. I am American, born and raised, and slow as hell (440, 950) in high school, from the Rocky Mountain West.

I was not given the time of day by Mark Wetmore out of high school. I had read RWTB, and being from the west, was fascinated by Boulder and Wetmore, and was completely ignored.

However, John McDonnell gave me a chance to walk on and he 100% developed me into a 14 min 5k runner and multiple all-conference performer. I competed for Coach Mac twice at the NCAA cross championships as an American walk on.

Take what you will from this anecdote, but McDonnell developed me beyond what I ever could have dreamed of, and Wetmore did not give me a chance.

Who is building the engine from the ground up? Who is doing more to develop mid-level US talent?

Wetmore is not stupid. He knows that he said that for recruiting purposes. I highly doubt that he believes it. If he does then I have lost a lot of respect for him.

Mark Wetmore knows that if a high percentage of high school kids eliminate Arkansas, Iona, Butler, Utep, Arizona and any other teams with a lot of foreign athletes on them then he essentially forces those other schools to have to pay near full or full scholarships for kids on their team. There is no way you can have the depth as CU when CU pays 50% for a highly ranked Footlocker finalist and has 9:10 kids beating down the door to walk on. He gets lucky with a few of the 9:10-9:15 kids and he looks like a genius.

Almost every year you know he will lose 1-3 of his top 6 to injury so if he has the depth then he can train these kids as hard as he wants and not worry about losing a few.

He ain't stupid and I hope he is not arrogant enough to believe the BS he spouts! It is obvious that enough of you have bought the BS and certainly don't get what is happening. There's a sucker born every minute!