Sage Canaday Reports Cam Hanes to USADA After 58-Year-Old’s 2:39 Eugene Marathon

I'd just send this link to USADA/WADA to this thread as well (I'm sure Sage did), and even screenshot the comments on this page in case wayback machine goes down, etc.

What do we think about Women on Estrogen, which is a steroid? My wife is on it (as is my sister and basically every menopause woman right now) and she went 2:50s at a WMM.

Sad to say I knew masters sprinters in the early 90's who were going to Mexico for PEDs and trying all sorts of (stupid) stuff to get an edge. There was no testing for masters then. It was pathetic with nothing on the line except bragging rights and ego. (It was rumored then Michael Johnson was doing the same at the time.) As with elite pros only top athletes will see a benefit that counts. I can train all day and drug up and never be at the highest level. I was morally opposed in any case.

Unless an athlete is competing at a level where there is prize money and sponsorships at stake, it's losing battle and very expensive to monitor all athletes. The testing focus needs to be most intense on those at highest level who are placing in events, receiving awards, prize money, and sponsorships. The rest are just not worth spending money to monitor.

Seems like he has elite runner in his bio

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I don't know too many amateur runners with a shoe contract and signature shoe named after them.

Those mods don't get enough hate for killing that place

Absolutely not. I get maybe 4-6 chances to race each year including local Turkey Trots and I don't want to be running against dopers. More importantly, I don't want people to assume I'm a doper who's on TRT. It's an open question whether I'll be able to break 3 whenever I next run a marathon, no matter how hard I train. The idea of losing to a doper makes me angry. If there's one thing this thread shows, it's that age groupers care about doping. A lot. There's no money for testing, so we rely on people not to be absolute douschebags.

First sign that a USADA ban might actually be incoming. Too bad for Cam he admitted to previous use of testosterone on his podcast, and definitely knew it was against the rules but didn't care because he didn't "have USA on my chest." It's amazing how bullies always try to be the victims when they're called out on their BS.

Anyone care to screenshot for us non social media users?

Wait is glycinate banned? Not sure it offers same benefits as trt or bicarbonate..

Here's the relevant screenshots for Cam's meltdown defense that he's never seen the USATF rules before: https://imgur.com/a/OLwaljQ This feigned ignorance on his part is pretty embarrassing, you'd have to be one of the dumbest people in the US to not know the supplement stack he's on is breaking the rules of competition. But hey, when you're as big of a fraud as Cam is, you gotta keep lying to try to get out of facing consequences, no matter how embarrassing the implications are. His assertion that you don't agree to not take PEDs when competing in the Boston Marathon also isn't true obviously.

I'm sure he'll be back to his usual cringe content of posting video of him lifting in the middle of the day to prove he's working hard with a Drake track playing in the background soon. Dude is pushing 60 years old and posts like a 16 year old on social media.

This already exists. Pretty much every big race has you sign a waiver during registration. Included, usually, is something that speaks to anti-doping. The problem is that there's no money for AG testing + these races have zero incentive to test AGers because they want the 1 & done hybrid type's money. The problem is that some of those people do quite well & take away from clean runners + they are able to monetize off of their (unrealistic) success. There was a self-reported Ironman study going back 10+ years ago & 1 in 7 AGers admitted to doping. I think it was framed as just a survey asking people what supplements they were taking -- & those were the self reported #'s...It would probably have been even higher. Would love to see this done at a mass participation running event.

Also nobody is talking about weed on this thread. We're talking about anti-aging drugs, recovery aids, etc. Don't just pick out the extreme example. Nobody wants to DQ someone who smoked weed. Those aren't the people running 2:3x @ age 50+. We already have a banned substance list. It's just not enforced on AGers so now we have this situation where someone reported an obvious drug cheat. It's actually pretty easy to go online & search to see if something you want to take is banned or not.

& the problem here is that he's putting it out to his hybrid followers who don't see an issue with it because they would likely attribute the result to hard work. I don't think people understand how not normal 2:39 @ 59 is & how much of a boost you get from banned drugs. He's also just putting out false information. Anti-doping rules apply to everyone @ Boston -- not just elites. It looks like he cited to AI. Was very easy to find their policy. The issue, again, is enforcement + incentive to enforce.

My thing is like he has done a bunch of ultra races too and talks about like running 100 miles on a broken foot etc.... well clearly he was doping then too on TRT (which is doping and extremely performance enhancing), doing peptides, who know else - just points to the larger issue he is a bit of a fraud and promoting a life style unachievable without drugs.

And this proves why people who say "so what he's just running with the masses, a ban wouldn't make a difference," are wrong. If he's banned from competition for performance enhancing drug use, he won't be able to run Eugene, Boston, Cocodona, Berlin, New York, London, Tokyo, etc. He has brand deals that almost surely require activations around this big events. Those big events are also how he maintains his audience. So if he gets banned, he loses money and audience. That matters to somebody whose business is being a running influencer and who uses performance enhancing drugs to artificially create "better content." On his podcast, Cam said, "If I ran a 3:05, nobody would've cared," which is exactly right and shows why he used performance enhancing drugs to run a 2:39.

It's why USADA should ban him. His statements that he "didn't think the rules applied," are not an admission or remorse, so his ban (in my view) shouldn't be reduced from the four year ban that is standard for use of BPC-157. I might actually argue his ban should be increased to 6 years based on his podcast and social media statements.

I completely and fully support Sage in this, and think it’s terrible to openly admit to taking PEDs.

However, Sage, you aren’t helping your case when you start dragging hunting into it. You are an expert in running, but not in hunting and conservation. You’re entitled to your opinion, but when Cam and his followers read what you say about bear hunting, they interpret it as you being uninformed and unknowledgeable, and they then extrapolate this to anything else you say.

Focus on the running where you have a winning argument.

The actual analysis done for the 2024 ultra race with 16.3% seems the most legit here, though I do think ultramarathons attract a more drug-friendly crowd in general than road marathons (there were a lot of non-PED drugs in there too). To be clear, this wasn't anonymous full drug testing, this was collecting samples via urinals at races (so cross-contamination is definitely possible)

The UK study has been lost in a game of telephone and people aren't thinking critically - do we really think that 1/3 of young people in the UK, including 29% of women, probably most of them not even regularly working out, are taking SARMs? Reading the actual report from Ukad and this is 1/3 of people *who said they have seen SARMs advertised/promoted online*. I'd love to see their actual methods and data though, since they didn't really release it as a paper for review that I could find. Do *you* know anyone taking SARMs?

The 3-4 million Americans using PEDs seems reasonable, that's around 1%. I don't think that proves anything about marathon runners specifically, since this is primarily a gym guy thing.

I'm not denying that doping is a problem at the high levels (it is) or that it's bad (it's bad), but a lot of the prevalence estimates being thrown around for the number of people doping for BQs are just crazy. From a statistics perspective, if truly 1/3 of people shooting for a BQ are doping, each of us would know a LOT of dopers. Do you see suspicious unexplainable performance jumps from 1/3 of your friends? Anything close to 1/3? Or even 1/6? I sure don't! I know it's not a random sample but a prevalence that big would show up in basically any sample.

Yep, I think that's how many of us age groupers feel. I don't care what these people do, just stay the f$# out of our races.

I think one aspect of this story that irritates me is that we are lucky Cam has admitted to taking crap over the years. But what about the other 99.999% of obvious age group dopers who can take as much as they want and compete in major road races like Boston and never face any consequences? It really sucks.

One or two race reports, fine. But at a certain point it's just a humble-brag. "I did this, got this result, and BQed." I did a comprehensive race report once, they deleted it because I didn't have enough dietary detail and I gave up trying to make them happy.

NorwegianSinglesRun is a much better subreddit, and they tie in NSM with advanced running topics at a high level without being snooty. Sirpoc even posts there!