From another thread by OP (chronicinjured999 = David45 = FeetBroken999 etc): "Wearing a night split did help, but the pain came back again when I tried running again"
When David finds something that helps, he jumps back to running too quickly resulting in further pain or injury, then he STOPS doing the thing that helped. Face palm.
I am 24 now. I got chronic feet pain when I was 18, which was when I first started running, and I have been in pain ever since. I posted this numerous times before, but it's exhausting to deal with sharp pain now just from walking and standing. I already spent thousands of dollars on doctors and physical therapists, and they are just good at billing me. It's hard to not be bitter and angry at society when you are in chronic pain. Doctors basically have told me I have to live with this forever. I can't ever fully heal my feet to the state it was in before I started running, and that's tough to accept when I still have 60+ years on this planet
I guarantee your core is weak .. your true core. Your feet are holding your stability together … IYKYK.
By the summer of 2021, the pain was still present, so I went to physical therapy. I was in physical therapy for several months, but the pain remained so I went to another doctor. I got a MRI that showed I had talonavicular arthritis in the right foot, so I was in a cast for around 6 weeks. After recovery, my doctor said I could try to run short distances again, so I started running again by around April 2022. T
EVERYONE, READ THE MRI RESULT!
In post #112, the OP wrote that an MRI showed talonavicular arthritis. That is NOT plantar fasciitis.In fact, some PF drills can make talonavicular arthritis WORSE. OP, read that again. Some PF drills can make talonavicular arthritis worse.
A PT has diagnosed his injury as PF, but the MRI should be more definitive. A PT is basically poking the foot and asking questions. The OP has not been very good at exactly describing the pain so it's very possible that the PT has misdiagnosed this as PF.
Since the MRI was years ago, the OP should get another MRI and then treat for talonavicular arthritis, not PF.
I would try the standard of care as I outlined. Assuming you have the right diagnosis. PF often require the kitchen sink, not doing one thing here and there you heard online. I have found Birks to be counterproductive btw. Wear your running shoes indoors and out until you get everything figured out. Avoid flat like the plague for now. If you are resting, avoiding flat shoes/barefeet/flipflops, stretching icing, +/- a cortisone injection and get NO relief, I would strongly question the diagnosis. If you are getting some relief but not durable, and have the right diagnosis, there are the non invasive (semi invasive) alt modalities I Iisted and surgery.
Well podiatrists still insist it's PF
OK, if you are not responding to standard of care have they done MR? If so and its PF, move to next step as i pointed. You may have to go to academic medical center to access these other modalities/treatments. Sometimes you can lost in just throwing random things at it (from online forums and reddit) and lose track of moving thoughfully through treatment. PF can feel like its forever until its not.,
I started running in the summer of 2019 when I was 17 years old. I did too much too soon, and I ended up with a stress fracture. It healed by the early 2020, so I tried to start running again. This time, I was much more gradual with how much I ramped up mileage. I got up to around 15-20 miles per week by the summer, but I started developing sharp feet pain. I saw a doctor who gave me orthotics, but the pain still remained. I stopped running at the end of 2020 and waited for the feet to heal.
By the summer of 2021, the pain was still present, so I went to physical therapy. I was in physical therapy for several months, but the pain remained so I went to another doctor. I got a MRI that showed I had talonavicular arthritis in the right foot, so I was in a cast for around 6 weeks. After recovery, my doctor said I could try to run short distances again, so I started running again by around April 2022. The sharp feet pain was still present, but I basically tolerated it and continued to run until the summer of 2023. Again, I was around 15-20 miles per week for much of this time period. Unfortunately, the pain got so bad that I had to stop again. I waited for around a year, and the pain didn't improve still. I saw a podiatrist at the end of 2024 who said I had plantar fasciitis told me to stop running. I got a steroid injection in early 2026, but it didn't help much. This is where I am at now.
I can't believe I wrote a long post only for it to get downvoted
MRI should show PF pretty easily. You said it showed TN arthritis? TN arthritis btw is exceedingly rare in someone your age unless you were in an accident or sig injury. regardless, get a second opinion from someone at a good academic center that can look at this objectively. Did you have immediate relief to some extent after cortisone injection? if so we are in the right place at least...the PF. If it did nothing, I again question the diagnosis.
By the summer of 2021, the pain was still present, so I went to physical therapy. I was in physical therapy for several months, but the pain remained so I went to another doctor. I got a MRI that showed I had talonavicular arthritis in the right foot, so I was in a cast for around 6 weeks. After recovery, my doctor said I could try to run short distances again, so I started running again by around April 2022. T
EVERYONE, READ THE MRI RESULT!
In post #112, the OP wrote that an MRI showed talonavicular arthritis. That is NOT plantar fasciitis.In fact, some PF drills can make talonavicular arthritis WORSE. OP, read that again. Some PF drills can make talonavicular arthritis worse.
A PT has diagnosed his injury as PF, but the MRI should be more definitive. A PT is basically poking the foot and asking questions. The OP has not been very good at exactly describing the pain so it's very possible that the PT has misdiagnosed this as PF.
Since the MRI was years ago, the OP should get another MRI and then treat for talonavicular arthritis, not PF.
2 things can be true at once-- may have both. He may have left out details etc... Did TN djd show up on plain xrays? Too many questions at this point. Get a second opinion (from doctor). Orthotics help with both etc...
A simple US can show Pf. I suspect a second opinion will indeed order another MR as well.
In post #112, the OP wrote that an MRI showed talonavicular arthritis. That is NOT plantar fasciitis.In fact, some PF drills can make talonavicular arthritis WORSE. OP, read that again. Some PF drills can make talonavicular arthritis worse.
A PT has diagnosed his injury as PF, but the MRI should be more definitive. A PT is basically poking the foot and asking questions. The OP has not been very good at exactly describing the pain so it's very possible that the PT has misdiagnosed this as PF.
Since the MRI was years ago, the OP should get another MRI and then treat for talonavicular arthritis, not PF.
2 things can be true at once-- may have both. He may have left out details etc... Did TN djd show up on plain xrays? Too many questions at this point. Get a second opinion (from doctor). Orthotics help with both etc...
A simple US can show Pf. I suspect a second opinion will indeed order another MR as well.
I appreciate the continued desire of people to feel helpful, but David has been on these boards whining about the same problems with generic I tried that responses for 6 years. In that time I've rolled ankles, pulled a hamstring that wrecked me for 6 months, bought a second house, sold my first house, moved to Europe, gotten in and out of shape like 4 times, finished my masters degree and made great friends in at least 5 different countries.
Nothing we can do or say will keep him from making excuses about why some trivial injury is preventing him from being happy.
2 things can be true at once-- may have both. He may have left out details etc... Did TN djd show up on plain xrays? Too many questions at this point. Get a second opinion (from doctor). Orthotics help with both etc...
A simple US can show Pf. I suspect a second opinion will indeed order another MR as well.
I appreciate the continued desire of people to feel helpful, but David has been on these boards whining about the same problems with generic I tried that responses for 6 years. In that time I've rolled ankles, pulled a hamstring that wrecked me for 6 months, bought a second house, sold my first house, moved to Europe, gotten in and out of shape like 4 times, finished my masters degree and made great friends in at least 5 different countries.
Nothing we can do or say will keep him from making excuses about why some trivial injury is preventing him from being happy.
Bingo.
And regarding David's MRI: In the thread he posted 5 months ago (as 'FeetBroken999') he wrote "MRI showed nothing. I already tried breaking up scar tissue, but it hasn't helped." He also posted "Wearing a night split did help, but the pain came back again when I tried running again". David's pattern is obsessively running too much until injured, then looking for treatment and if it works at all he jumps back into running too much (probably with terrible form) then gets injured more and complains that the treatment did not work.
I appreciate the continued desire of people to feel helpful, but David has been on these boards whining about the same problems with generic I tried that responses for 6 years. In that time I've rolled ankles, pulled a hamstring that wrecked me for 6 months, bought a second house, sold my first house, moved to Europe, gotten in and out of shape like 4 times, finished my masters degree and made great friends in at least 5 different countries.
Nothing we can do or say will keep him from making excuses about why some trivial injury is preventing him from being happy.
Bingo.
And regarding David's MRI: In the thread he posted 5 months ago (as 'FeetBroken999') he wrote "MRI showed nothing. I already tried breaking up scar tissue, but it hasn't helped." He also posted "Wearing a night split did help, but the pain came back again when I tried running again". David's pattern is obsessively running too much until injured, then looking for treatment and if it works at all he jumps back into running too much (probably with terrible form) then gets injured more and complains that the treatment did not work.
“David’s pattern” is just to troll message boards.
I am 24 now. I got chronic feet pain when I was 18, which was when I first started running, and I have been in pain ever since. I posted this numerous times before, but it's exhausting to deal with sharp pain now just from walking and standing. I already spent thousands of dollars on doctors and physical therapists, and they are just good at billing me. It's hard to not be bitter and angry at society when you are in chronic pain. Doctors basically have told me I have to live with this forever. I can't ever fully heal my feet to the state it was in before I started running, and that's tough to accept when I still have 60+ years on this planet
I have a pretty chronic case. I was incredibly sceptical but doing this specific taping method I can run pretty well... Every other day with cycling on the others. It's a right faff though and took a while to master doing it at the right tightness without having to re do it. It however is a crutch rather than a cure but just being able to do some running and sessions has been enough to get me out of a slump. Replace <dot> with a '.' www<dot>rdash.nhs.uk/services/podiatry-foot-protection/musculoskeletal-foot-care/plantar-fasciitis-taping/
Obviously it's success depends on your exact phenotype, but for me it's pretty miraculous.
In post #112, the OP wrote that an MRI showed talonavicular arthritis. That is NOT plantar fasciitis.In fact, some PF drills can make talonavicular arthritis WORSE. OP, read that again. Some PF drills can make talonavicular arthritis worse.
A PT has diagnosed his injury as PF, but the MRI should be more definitive. A PT is basically poking the foot and asking questions. The OP has not been very good at exactly describing the pain so it's very possible that the PT has misdiagnosed this as PF.
Since the MRI was years ago, the OP should get another MRI and then treat for talonavicular arthritis, not PF.
2 things can be true at once-- may have both. He may have left out details etc... Did TN djd show up on plain xrays? Too many questions at this point. Get a second opinion (from doctor). Orthotics help with both etc...
A simple US can show Pf. I suspect a second opinion will indeed order another MR as well.
Every single x-ray I had showed nothing. I am trying to get a second opinion, but it's hard to get into an appointment. I will try to ask for an ultrasound, but I don't know if the doctor will dismiss me
I can't believe I wrote a long post only for it to get downvoted
MRI should show PF pretty easily. You said it showed TN arthritis? TN arthritis btw is exceedingly rare in someone your age unless you were in an accident or sig injury. regardless, get a second opinion from someone at a good academic center that can look at this objectively. Did you have immediate relief to some extent after cortisone injection? if so we are in the right place at least...the PF. If it did nothing, I again question the diagnosis.
get a second opinion...in person
The MRI in 2021 showed TN arthritis. I don't know how I got it, but the arthritis back then somehow showed it. My current podiatrist said the finding was "incidental" and not relevant to my current pain
Look into the Tenex procedure if you have not yet tried it. I had PF for 10+ years, tried everything else. No running for over a year, PT, chiropractors, all the strengthening, 20+ rounds of shockwave, dry needling, yoga, etc. I was sick of being in constant pain so I finally told the ortho I wanted PF release surgery. Tenex had been developed over the course of my injury and he had just heard of it. He recommended I try that first. Tenex was what finally put me back on the right path. It is a minimally invasive outpatient surgery that does not release the PF. Instead, it washes away scar tissue buildup. I got it done by Dr. Walter Sussman outside of Boston. It is covered by insurance. The recovery was 1-2 weeks in a boot with no crutches, then walking only for another 6-8 weeks. After that I very slowly ramped up running. It hasn't bothered me in the 4-ish years since.
I tried asking for a new MRI, and the podiatrist said no. He said the previous MRI already showed the arthritis, so there is no point in getting more imaging.