-learn English so he can do at least one interview
-win more than two races that fans actually care about
-run a WR that doesn’t get invalidated because he cheated from illegally drafting off the pace car
1. Why should he learn English? He speaks English, and two other languages. (More lanuages than you could be interviewed in, that's obvious.)
Now you're making up random challenges to put him down.😂😂😂
What are Hocker's 2nd and 3rd languages?
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2. Fans definitely care about world XC. Have you been on this site in the past month?
😂😂😂
3. Right, Kiplimo "needs to prove himself" in the half marathon. 56:42, 57:31, 57:37, 57:56, with a total of two losses and >12 wins in 7 years running the event.
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In summary...
I am saying it would be nice for Hocker to win more than one international race all year, and if he can't win more than he loses at least avoid an abject losing record.
Your response is to say that you think Kiplimo should...run another 56:xx HM, race for peanuts on the track instead of much bigger marathon paydays, and...um...improve in his third language. (I'm embarrassed for you, hick.)
Keeping it to running, if the assignments are another 56:xx for Kiplimo and winning two major races all year for Hocker... it looks pretty clear who is the better distance runner. 😂😂😂
So hang on a minute. Dahl just said from his the430miler handle that he is you. Are you actually really him or is he lying again?
"He won a heat of the 1500!" LOLOLOLOL this is getting sad. You've got it, tiger, he won a heat in 3:41.
I already placed his entire losing record for 2025 in this thread.
Again:
Indoor: DNF, W, L, W (Wins at the Hokie Invitational and BU DMR Challenge)
Outdoor: GST: L, L, L, L, L, L (Never placed higher than 3rd) Diamond League: L, L (4th and 7th) USATF: L, W (3rd and 1st) WC: DQ, W
12 losses. 4 event wins (not 5), only one of them international.
"World #1!" 😂
It’s five wins. Why should we dismiss his heat win? It’s a freaking race isn’t it? It’s a footrace against other competitors. Why wouldn’t it count as a victory? What do want him to do; slow down at the end, lose on purpose, and possibly lose the chance to advance to semis just because it’s a qualifying round? He won that race. It doesn’t matter that it was a heat or not. He crossed the finish line first in a distance of 1500m. How is that not winning an international 1500m race? You’re just looking for any reason you can to hate on Hocker and tarnish his win record.
A heat isn't a race to win but to qualify. That's what most competitors are seeking to do - and they save energy by not trying to win. The "winner" is merely just another qualifier.
he won USAs in the 5k, two indoor races early in 2025, and that he won his first heat of the 1500 in Tokyo before being unfairly DQd in the semis. So he in fact won 5 competitive races in 2025 if you include Tokyo.
"He won a heat of the 1500!" LOLOLOLOL this is getting sad. You've got it, tiger, he won a heat in 3:41.
I already placed his entire losing record for 2025 in this thread.
Again:
Indoor: DNF, W, L, W (Wins at the Hokie Invitational and BU DMR Challenge)
Outdoor: GST: L, L, L, L, L, L (Never placed higher than 3rd) Diamond League: L, L (4th and 7th) USATF: L, W (3rd and 1st) WC: DQ, W
12 losses. 4 event wins (not 5), only one of them international.
"World #1!" 😂
"12 losses. 4 event wins (not 5), only one of them international."
- Wins his first Diamond League race this year - Wins more than one international race this year - Wins at least 20% of his international finals this year
This would all be good "firsts" for him!
Agreed.
I also hope that Kiplimo will:
-learn English so he can do at least one interview
-win more than two races that fans actually care about
-run a WR that doesn’t get invalidated because he cheated from illegally drafting off the pace car
You've effectively conceded that Kiplimo's competitive record is better than Hocker's.
It has to be brought up because it is part of the picture but Hocker's win-loss ratio, where he loses as a routine and then miraculously crushes everyone in a global final, makes him one of the most suspect runners on the pro circuit.
After that convincing Millrose win, I think every race from this point on he should be the favorite to win. Am I wrong?
It’s a good question. We can disqualify Jakob as of now since we have no idea whether he is trending up or down.
As of now, Hocker seems to be unbeatable in 5000/3000 non-paced races without Jakob and anybody putting down a hard last 2000m. But that’s pretty much it. He hasn’t won a 1500m race, paced or non-paced, since Paris. He hasn’t put down a convincing fast time over 5000m or 3000m other than his 7:23. Seems hard to call him the best in the world.
I’d say if he puts down a really fast indoor mile time in 2 weeks (3:46 or faster) and wins the double at World Indoors then it’s fair to call him the best in the world over middle/long distances.
Jakob is like a boy idol to me, I don't know why but he is very cute in my eyes yet I foresaw his doom last year. If you know my story, which I'm sure everyone knows by now, you will know why Jakob's achilles injury has all but ended not only his world record hopes for mile and 1500m but also his complete career. Do you think he can even qualify for any olympic and world championships track meet ever again?
It has to be brought up because it is part of the picture but Hocker's win-loss ratio, where he loses as a routine and then miraculously crushes everyone in a global final, makes him one of the most suspect runners on the pro circuit.
You are so totally right, I follow you around quite often on LRC and there is a lack of support for people like you who has that killer instinct to detect dopers.
It has to be brought up because it is part of the picture but Hocker's win-loss ratio, where he loses as a routine and then miraculously crushes everyone in a global final, makes him one of the most suspect runners on the pro circuit.
This, and the infamous "3:30 high-3:31 guy for years -> drops a sub 3:30/3:29/3:28 in just one race (3 sec PR) -> then back to 3:30 high guy".
EXTREMELY SUS.
But this aside,Hocker loses too often in his main event (1500, mile) to be considered #1
Kiplimo's ego took such a beating from losing on the track in 2024, he retreated to the roads.
By 2024 Kiplimo had already long-ago moved to longer distances on the roads. He won his first two international half marathons in 2020, in 58:xx and 57:xx.
In 2024 Kiplimo was a verteran half marathoner, preparing for the marathon.
And he still ran 26:49 in the Paris 2024 games. Three seconds from gold.
Talking about his Kiplimo's track 10,000 in 2024 is like talking about Hocker's 800. It's his third-best event. And anyone who know the sport would take would take Kiplimo's 10,000 over Hocker's 800 any day. (1:45 lol.)
Wrong. Kiplimo was still active on the track. He didn't make his marathon debut until April 2025. It's absurd to claim he didn't do his best at the OLYMPICS because he was preparing for his marathon debut to come 8 months later, LOL.
They don't give out consolation prizes for finishing close to the top 3. Ask sprinters!
"12 losses. 4 event wins (not 5), only one of them international."
That's a pretty thin case for World No 1.
When runners are introduced on the start line, their win-loss record isn't mentioned. They only announce what titles or medals each runner has won. Only two men right now from 800 up have the special status title of Reigning Olympic Champion and Reigning World Champion: Cole Hocker and Emmanuel Wanyonyi. They are the only real contenders for the crown of #1 distance runner in the world right now.
Hocker gets the crown because his golds have come in more than one event and because he won a big race last weekend. His Millrose win is an important consideration for determining who is #1 right now. We haven't seen Wanyonyi race in nearly 5 months.
"12 losses. 4 event wins (not 5), only one of them international."
That's a pretty thin case for World No 1.
When runners are introduced on the start line, their win-loss record isn't mentioned. They only announce what titles or medals each runner has won. Only two men right now from 800 up have the special status title of Reigning Olympic Champion and Reigning World Champion: Cole Hocker and Emmanuel Wanyonyi. They are the only real contenders for the crown of #1 distance runner in the world right now.
Hocker gets the crown because his golds have come in more than one event and because he won a big race last weekend. His Millrose win is an important consideration for determining who is #1 right now. We haven't seen Wanyonyi race in nearly 5 months.
King Cole Hocker is #1 right now.
Well then Jimmy Gressier is above him: 10000m gold, 5000m bronze, 3000m DL final winner (higher level than Millrose).
Or are you going to change the logic/goalpost again?
"12 losses. 4 event wins (not 5), only one of them international."
That's a pretty thin case for World No 1.
When runners are introduced on the start line, their win-loss record isn't mentioned. They only announce what titles or medals each runner has won. Only two men right now from 800 up have the special status title of Reigning Olympic Champion and Reigning World Champion: Cole Hocker and Emmanuel Wanyonyi. They are the only real contenders for the crown of #1 distance runner in the world right now.
Hocker gets the crown because his golds have come in more than one event and because he won a big race last weekend. His Millrose win is an important consideration for determining who is #1 right now. We haven't seen Wanyonyi race in nearly 5 months.
King Cole Hocker is #1 right now.
If what the announcers said before a race decided these things there would be no need to race. Did the announcers mention Hocker's (few) wins when he stepped up to the line at all those other international races he lost?
If what the announcers said before a race decided these things there would be no need to race. Did the announcers mention Hocker's (few) wins when he stepped up to the line at all those other international races he lost?
No, because Hocker's record in Grand Slam Track doesn't matter.
Being #1right now is about reigning titles and current form. Hocker checks both boxes.
Well then Jimmy Gressier is above him: 10000m gold, 5000m bronze, 3000m DL final winner (higher level than Millrose).
Or are you going to change the logic/goalpost again?
The thread says right now not last October. Maybe it was a tactical mistake but Jimmy got exposed in XC where he couldn’t win Euro XC vs a soft field and then fared even worse at World XC. Perhaps he should’ve chosen indoor track, but he’s not best of anything right now.