Could you explain how Andreas Almgren, after serious injury every single season and never having medaled as a senior beyond nationals, has been able to medal at Worlds and become the fastest European in history in the 5000, 10k road and half marathon at 30 years old? While training more or less identically as the Ingebrigtsen, being a training partner of them and having gotten training input directly from them?
I know that your answer is just going to be doping, but can you at least try?
You are right; I am supremely sceptical of an athlete who claims repeated injuries who then miraculously attains an exceptional level late in their career when they can be expected to be past their peak. The "injuries" can be used subsequently to explain a relatively poor level of performance - such as never medalling in a national championship - before an athlete chooses to dope. It certainly suggest to me his injuries were not serious. Those that are typically end careers. Late-career bloomers are often the result of doping. We are seeing that kind of discussion now about Jess Hull and Georgia Hunter-Bell. I am not convinced Almgren is the right example for a late career revival triumphing over years of injury.
You don't understand the question, saying that Jakob is done because of his performance this WC is completely nonsensical when a runner like Almgren, who is much older and have had much more severe injuries, is currently in the best shape of his life after adopting the training the Ingebrigtsens uses.
And Almgren has 12 national championship gold medals, the vast majority of them from before switching to double threshold and at the peak of his injury issues, but that says more about the state of Swedish running than anything else.
Almgren has had multiple different stress fractures, stress reactions and muscle tears, which is worse all together than Jakobs achilles issues. Considering that Jakob ran the indoor 1500 and mile WR in the same race after a previous achilles injury and the fastest 5000 championship time he's run after the most recent injury then it obviously isn't a career ender either.
You’ve made good points but you’re wasting your time with this guy. He only posts here to try and rile up Ingebrigtsen fans and will change the goalposts as it suits for the sake of trolling. Doing it once or twice is fine but all he does is troll for the sake of trying to trigger fans of a professional runner day and night on these boards. I just can’t imagine what kind of life that is. Just downvote and move on. You can get a slightly better conversation with Salvitore Stitchmo provided he’s not feeling too arrogant and pretentious.
You are right; I am supremely sceptical of an athlete who claims repeated injuries who then miraculously attains an exceptional level late in their career when they can be expected to be past their peak. The "injuries" can be used subsequently to explain a relatively poor level of performance - such as never medalling in a national championship - before an athlete chooses to dope. It certainly suggest to me his injuries were not serious. Those that are typically end careers. Late-career bloomers are often the result of doping. We are seeing that kind of discussion now about Jess Hull and Georgia Hunter-Bell. I am not convinced Almgren is the right example for a late career revival triumphing over years of injury.
You don't understand the question, saying that Jakob is done because of his performance this WC is completely nonsensical when a runner like Almgren, who is much older and have had much more severe injuries, is currently in the best shape of his life after adopting the training the Ingebrigtsens uses.
And Almgren has 12 national championship gold medals, the vast majority of them from before switching to double threshold and at the peak of his injury issues, but that says more about the state of Swedish running than anything else.
Almgren has had multiple different stress fractures, stress reactions and muscle tears, which is worse all together than Jakobs achilles issues. Considering that Jakob ran the indoor 1500 and mile WR in the same race after a previous achilles injury and the fastest 5000 championship time he's run after the most recent injury then it obviously isn't a career ender either.
What happens to one runner in no way guarantees the same will occur for any other - especially when it concerns injuries. No two athletes are the same. Almgren's experiences have no relevance to what Jakob experiences. You could choose any other athlete to compare with him and it would be just as irrelevant. But what we see with Ingebrigtsen is that he has suffered injury to both Achilles tendons now and the most recent this last year. We saw how reduced he was at the world's. This means that his Achilles are and will remain susceptible to repeated injury. The injuries are a consequence of the demands he makes on his body, to be the best runner in the world. If he continues to to train and compete at that maximum level it can be virtually guaranteed the injuries will eventually return. To prevent that he will have to find a way to lighten the load. That means his training will be less than optimal for an athlete who seeks to break 3 championship distances outdoor world records in a season (which, even at his fittest, he has never done). Talk of him taking these world records would only be meaningful if he had never incurred these injuries. His saying he is going for the records next year means nothing; it is entirely up to what his body now allows.
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You’ve made good points but you’re wasting your time with this guy. He only posts here to try and rile up Ingebrigtsen fans and will change the goalposts as it suits for the sake of trolling. Doing it once or twice is fine but all he does is troll for the sake of trying to trigger fans of a professional runner day and night on these boards. I just can’t imagine what kind of life that is. Just downvote and move on. You can get a slightly better conversation with Salvitore Stitchmo provided he’s not feeling too arrogant and pretentious.
I'm not trolling. I'm stating a genuine opinion. An athlete who now incurs serious injuries - as Achilles injuries are to a top runner - runs the risk of further injuries if they train and compete at the level that caused those injuries. So how does he break world records with less training?
You’ve made good points but you’re wasting your time with this guy. He only posts here to try and rile up Ingebrigtsen fans and will change the goalposts as it suits for the sake of trolling. Doing it once or twice is fine but all he does is troll for the sake of trying to trigger fans of a professional runner day and night on these boards. I just can’t imagine what kind of life that is. Just downvote and move on. You can get a slightly better conversation with Salvitore Stitchmo provided he’s not feeling too arrogant and pretentious.
I gave you an upvote, because this a well written post. But when it comes to Armstronglivs you are only partially right (he has admitted that he tries to trigger us Jakob fans, which I think is totally OK and funny), because he clearly also has some good and communicative posts…
You are a little condescending towards Salvitore, and one could say he has begged for it. But he is a way more than average knowledgeable guy, and has quite a few solid posts. But as almost every solid poster I know of on this forum he also have some “stupid” claims (well, that also includes myself; it seems for a lot of reason very hard to avoid). And then it’s his arrogant and pretentious side -again you have a point, but haven’t you seen all the posts where he clearly is trying to moderate and balance this side? -IMO it’s not necessarily bad to have a arrogant side (very hard to avoid for knowledgeable people) as long as one work on it, and integrate it with a range of other personality traits. This also goes for Jakob, by the way…
You don't understand the question, saying that Jakob is done because of his performance this WC is completely nonsensical when a runner like Almgren, who is much older and have had much more severe injuries, is currently in the best shape of his life after adopting the training the Ingebrigtsens uses.
And Almgren has 12 national championship gold medals, the vast majority of them from before switching to double threshold and at the peak of his injury issues, but that says more about the state of Swedish running than anything else.
Almgren has had multiple different stress fractures, stress reactions and muscle tears, which is worse all together than Jakobs achilles issues. Considering that Jakob ran the indoor 1500 and mile WR in the same race after a previous achilles injury and the fastest 5000 championship time he's run after the most recent injury then it obviously isn't a career ender either.
What happens to one runner in no way guarantees the same will occur for any other - especially when it concerns injuries. No two athletes are the same. Almgren's experiences have no relevance to what Jakob experiences. You could choose any other athlete to compare with him and it would be just as irrelevant. But what we see with Ingebrigtsen is that he has suffered injury to both Achilles tendons now and the most recent this last year. We saw how reduced he was at the world's. This means that his Achilles are and will remain susceptible to repeated injury. The injuries are a consequence of the demands he makes on his body, to be the best runner in the world. If he continues to to train and compete at that maximum level it can be virtually guaranteed the injuries will eventually return. To prevent that he will have to find a way to lighten the load. That means his training will be less than optimal for an athlete who seeks to break 3 championship distances outdoor world records in a season (which, even at his fittest, he has never done). Talk of him taking these world records would only be meaningful if he had never incurred these injuries. His saying he is going for the records next year means nothing; it is entirely up to what his body now allows.
What happens to one runner in no way guarantees the same will occur for any other - especially when it concerns injuries. No two athletes are the same. Almgren's experiences have no relevance to what Jakob experiences. You could choose any other athlete to compare with him and it would be just as irrelevant. But what we see with Ingebrigtsen is that he has suffered injury to both Achilles tendons now and the most recent this last year. We saw how reduced he was at the world's. This means that his Achilles are and will remain susceptible to repeated injury. The injuries are a consequence of the demands he makes on his body, to be the best runner in the world. If he continues to to train and compete at that maximum level it can be virtually guaranteed the injuries will eventually return. To prevent that he will have to find a way to lighten the load. That means his training will be less than optimal for an athlete who seeks to break 3 championship distances outdoor world records in a season (which, even at his fittest, he has never done). Talk of him taking these world records would only be meaningful if he had never incurred these injuries. His saying he is going for the records next year means nothing; it is entirely up to what his body now allows.
2 championship distances.
Learn to bring correct numbers.
The mile has been a championship distance in the English speaking world and it is a key part of the tradition of the sport, which is why the 1500 has been referred to as the "metric mile". But being pedantic about this as to whether it is a "championship distance" isn't going to improve his chances of taking any of these records.
What isn't acknowledged here is that Ingebrigtsen has been rendered irrelevant this year by his performances at the world's. He is trying to put himself back in the discussion by talking big. Unless he gets Achilles transplants he has a fat chance of taking any record let alone these "big 3".
You’ve made good points but you’re wasting your time with this guy. He only posts here to try and rile up Ingebrigtsen fans and will change the goalposts as it suits for the sake of trolling. Doing it once or twice is fine but all he does is troll for the sake of trying to trigger fans of a professional runner day and night on these boards. I just can’t imagine what kind of life that is. Just downvote and move on. You can get a slightly better conversation with Salvitore Stitchmo provided he’s not feeling too arrogant and pretentious.
I gave you an upvote, because this a well written post. But when it comes to Armstronglivs you are only partially right (he has admitted that he tries to trigger us Jakob fans, which I think is totally OK and funny), because he clearly also has some good and communicative posts…
You are a little condescending towards Salvitore, and one could say he has begged for it. But he is a way more than average knowledgeable guy, and has quite a few solid posts. But as almost every solid poster I know of on this forum he also have some “stupid” claims (well, that also includes myself; it seems for a lot of reason very hard to avoid). And then it’s his arrogant and pretentious side -again you have a point, but haven’t you seen all the posts where he clearly is trying to moderate and balance this side? -IMO it’s not necessarily bad to have a arrogant side (very hard to avoid for knowledgeable people) as long as one work on it, and integrate it with a range of other personality traits. This also goes for Jakob, by the way…
I must have failed with you; you aren't triggered ...
I agree with you about Salvitore; he might come across as a know-all but he is also very knowledgeable, which puts him ahead of most other posters.
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The mile has been a championship distance in the English speaking world and it is a key part of the tradition of the sport, which is why the 1500 has been referred to as the "metric mile". But being pedantic about this as to whether it is a "championship distance" isn't going to improve his chances of taking any of these records.
The Mile is not a championship distance. You were wrong - as almost always.
The mile has been a championship distance in the English speaking world and it is a key part of the tradition of the sport, which is why the 1500 has been referred to as the "metric mile". But being pedantic about this as to whether it is a "championship distance" isn't going to improve his chances of taking any of these records.
What isn't acknowledged here is that Ingebrigtsen has been rendered irrelevant this year by his performances at the world's. He is trying to put himself back in the discussion by talking big. Unless he gets Achilles transplants he has a fat chance of taking any record let alone these "big 3".
He was right, you are wrong. Twist the facts as much as you want, the mile is NOT a champioship distance. It's not being pedantic, it's educating you.
Ingebrigtsen has not been rendered irrelevant this year. Your wishful thinking won't change that fact.
The mile has been a championship distance in the English speaking world and it is a key part of the tradition of the sport, which is why the 1500 has been referred to as the "metric mile". But being pedantic about this as to whether it is a "championship distance" isn't going to improve his chances of taking any of these records.
The Mile is not a championship distance. You were wrong - as almost always.
It was a championship distance for decades in the Empire and Commonwealth Games. It was also the national championship distance in the UK, the US and Australasia for a long period, which were then dominant in the sport. But you don't know anything about the history of the sport. Now **.
The Mile is not a championship distance. You were wrong - as almost always.
It was a championship distance for decades in the Empire and Commonwealth Games. It was also the national championship distance in the UK, the US and Australasia for a long period, which were then dominant in the sport. But you don't know anything about the history of the sport. Now **.
Apparently you don't know the difference between past and present. Typical of dementia...
The Mile is not a championship distance. You were wrong - as almost always.
It was a championship distance for decades in the Empire and Commonwealth Games. It was also the national championship distance in the UK, the US and Australasia for a long period, which were then dominant in the sport. But you don't know anything about the history of the sport. Now **.
The Mile is not a championship distance.
You might be confused.
Yes,
you were stupid and ignorant in the past
you are stupid and ignorant now
you will be stupid and ignorant in the future.
But not everything is like that, some things change.
The mile has been a championship distance in the English speaking world and it is a key part of the tradition of the sport, which is why the 1500 has been referred to as the "metric mile". But being pedantic about this as to whether it is a "championship distance" isn't going to improve his chances of taking any of these records.
What isn't acknowledged here is that Ingebrigtsen has been rendered irrelevant this year by his performances at the world's. He is trying to put himself back in the discussion by talking big. Unless he gets Achilles transplants he has a fat chance of taking any record let alone these "big 3".
He was right, you are wrong. Twist the facts as much as you want, the mile is NOT a champioship distance. It's not being pedantic, it's educating you.
Ingebrigtsen has not been rendered irrelevant this year. Your wishful thinking won't change that fact.
It was a championship distance in the Empire and Commonwealth Games till 1970, ignoramus.
Anytime who fails to qualify at the world's at his main distance and finishes 10th in the other isn't in the discussion. He has to win again to change that. Don't hold your breath.
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