That's one of the reasons I believe Jakob was lying when he said he couldn't remember any good times with his dad. That television series showed a bunch of times when the boys were laughing and having a good time with their father.
Absolutely idiotic post. You likely have no experience of domestic abuse.
Let me educate you.
"Going along to get along" is literally a lifesaving defense mechanism for many victims of a abuse.
The fact that a child desperately wants to be properly parented, and will lean into any moment where that remotely happens, doesn't mean that abuse isn't happening.
he must not have been hitting him hard or he would have gotten a black eye. And a real kick in the stomach would have put him in the hospital, so I guess I wonder about that also.
One of the dumbest posts I have seen on this topic.
I'm a bigger guy for a distance runner. Maybe I'm as strong compared to you as Gjert was compared to his teens.
Are are seriously suggesting that I can work you over as much as I want, slapping your face and kicking you in the torso, and as long as there's no black eye and you aren't hospitalized, no real abuse has happened?
The only way we will know for sure which party called which witness is the order by which the witness is questioned by the defence and the prosecution, until that point it is speculation unless a witness says to the press that they were called by a specific party.
eg. if the defence called the witness they get first go at questioning the witness then after the defence is done the prosecution can ask questions of the witness followed by the judges if they have any questions.
This is mental fortitude and compartmentalizing at its most amazing. Winning double gold at world indoors just days before having to testify in court about your abusive father. I think many people would not be able to function at a high level in any endeavor when faced with such a difficult moment.
This may explain his showboating - not enough validation from Dad at a young age. I hope he makes it through this trial in a mentally good place, and that over time he recognizes that humility is a more attractive trait.
This is mental fortitude and compartmentalizing at its most amazing. Winning double gold at world indoors just days before having to testify in court about your abusive father. I think many people would not be able to function at a high level in any endeavor when faced with such a difficult moment.
This may explain his showboating - not enough validation from Dad at a young age. I hope he makes it through this trial in a mentally good place, and that over time he recognizes that humility is a more attractive trait.
track is low key compared to say soccer, or any other sport for that matter outside chess.
They should have kept this crap within the family. If the dad wasn’t so strict there is no was the family would have produced three world class/super elite middle distance runners.
It’s kind of like the Jackson family. The dad was super strict and controlling, but he molded his kids into superstar performers.
Do you think these children would have achieved anything without a strict father?
To your first sentence: Yes, they initially tried to keep all this within the family -for a number of years.
To your last sentence: There’s a lot of well functioning father sons / mother daughters / even mother sons and father daughters coaching systems in Scandinavia but also in other parts of the world. (The most famous is Mondo Duplantis being coached by his father and mother). -None of these coaches strike me as “strict” in the sense you are talking about in your post.
The part that really hit me personally for some reason was the fact that his father texted him after losing the 2022 1500m world champs solely to gloat. That's just not normal behaviour by any stretch of the imagination. Most assuredly, the portrayal of the family in the initial series is far from accurate.
They should have kept this crap within the family. If the dad wasn’t so strict there is no was the family would have produced three world class/super elite middle distance runners.
It’s kind of like the Jackson family. The dad was super strict and controlling, but he molded his kids into superstar performers.
Do you think these children would have achieved anything without a strict father?
To your first sentence: Yes, they initially tried to keep all this within the family -for a number of years.
To your last sentence: There’s a lot of well functioning father sons / mother daughters / even mother sons and father daughters coaching systems in Scandinavia but also in other parts of the world. (The most famous is Mondo Duplantis being coached by his father and mother). -None of these coaches strike me as “strict” in the sense you are talking about in your post.
Ironically, Jake Wightman was also coached by his father until very recently
The boy's bare legs and scrotum were bloodied by the closest thing to a superhuman in our world striking him repeatedly with a switch. You can find the pictures if you want. That has never been acceptable. Not every moral situation is relative.
I find it hard to disagree with you, but at the same time, I read an article like this:
Are we reading the same article? I see people without knowledge of the extent of physical injury caused to the boy endorsing corporal punishment of children, which can certainly be culturally acceptable. But I don't see anyone saying bloodying a 4 year olds legs and scrotum is normal anywhere.
I don’t think you (and Rojo for instance) understand the following about Norwegian judicial thinking (that isn’t all that of an outlier -it pretty much reflects what is being said under UN’s human rights charter):
”Emotional abuse” is very often some of the worse abuse, especially when it’s systematic and combined with instances of physical abuse.
If Gjert was only charged with some instances of clear physical abuse, the upper limit for the court response would have been far lower than in this case (max one year in prison). -To break the one year limit the physical acting out must be extremely severe.
The severity in the case against Gjert is this: A combination of emotional and physical abuse that the prosecutors call “a regime of fear”. According to psychological and psychiatric research this form of abuse is way more damaging for kids than almost every random beating (that can be dangerous enough in itself). Therefore the max prison time is heightened to 6 years.
Thanks for the explanation. Employee 1..1 and I were talking about this and wondering about it yesterday. I mean in America if someone was accused of hitting their kid- they might lose parental rights and get a minimal time in jail. Gemini tells me Adrian Peterson was only facing up to 2 years and I think his alleged physical abuse was more severe than what is alleged here.
I still don't undertsand how or why it's going on for 7 weeks.
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it's very likely that she won't say anything as she doesn't have to. As the spouse of the accused she doesn't have to give a statement; additionally ,as a parent of the victim she also has no requirement to be give any statement to the court.
Really? It’s the same rule as in the US. That’s very surprising
Governments found that their testimony would often be unreliable due to emotional circumstances so they made it optional for them.
I don’t think you (and Rojo for instance) understand the following about Norwegian judicial thinking (that isn’t all that of an outlier -it pretty much reflects what is being said under UN’s human rights charter):
”Emotional abuse” is very often some of the worse abuse, especially when it’s systematic and combined with instances of physical abuse.
If Gjert was only charged with some instances of clear physical abuse, the upper limit for the court response would have been far lower than in this case (max one year in prison). -To break the one year limit the physical acting out must be extremely severe.
The severity in the case against Gjert is this: A combination of emotional and physical abuse that the prosecutors call “a regime of fear”. According to psychological and psychiatric research this form of abuse is way more damaging for kids than almost every random beating (that can be dangerous enough in itself). Therefore the max prison time is heightened to 6 years.
Thanks for the explanation. Employee 1..1 and I were talking about this and wondering about it yesterday. I mean in America if someone was accused of hitting their kid- they might lose parental rights and get a minimal time in jail. Gemini tells me Adrian Peterson was only facing up to 2 years and I think his alleged physical abuse was more severe than what is alleged here.
I still don't undertsand how or why it's going on for 7 weeks.
Well, for starters there are up to 30 witnesses that will have to testify. Also, this week's session days have only been Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday (there is no session for tomorrow), so only a 3-day week. I don't know about other weeks but if they are all the same it is easily going to take 7 weeks.
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Mass Murder Anders Brevik got 20 something years in prison for a mass murder.
How much prison do you get for assault with a towel?
Anders will likely never get out of prison as in Norway, while they won’t sentence you to life or death, they can continually extend your sentence as long as they think you’re a threat. Different way of doing things. Given criminal stats in the US vs. Norway who are we to criticize that aspect?
The thing I find most reassuring about this is that nothing anyone says here or on any other social media will have a grain of effect on the outcome. The "court" of public opinion means nothing in an actual court.
This is mental fortitude and compartmentalizing at its most amazing. Winning double gold at world indoors just days before having to testify in court about your abusive father. I think many people would not be able to function at a high level in any endeavor when faced with such a difficult moment.
This may explain his showboating - not enough validation from Dad at a young age. I hope he makes it through this trial in a mentally good place, and that over time he recognizes that humility is a more attractive trait.
Showboating?
He showboats no more than any of his rivals like Kerr do when any of them gets a rare win.
I don’t think you (and Rojo for instance) understand the following about Norwegian judicial thinking (that isn’t all that of an outlier -it pretty much reflects what is being said under UN’s human rights charter):
”Emotional abuse” is very often some of the worse abuse, especially when it’s systematic and combined with instances of physical abuse.
If Gjert was only charged with some instances of clear physical abuse, the upper limit for the court response would have been far lower than in this case (max one year in prison). -To break the one year limit the physical acting out must be extremely severe.
The severity in the case against Gjert is this: A combination of emotional and physical abuse that the prosecutors call “a regime of fear”. According to psychological and psychiatric research this form of abuse is way more damaging for kids than almost every random beating (that can be dangerous enough in itself). Therefore the max prison time is heightened to 6 years.
Thanks for the explanation. Employee 1..1 and I were talking about this and wondering about it yesterday. I mean in America if someone was accused of hitting their kid- they might lose parental rights and get a minimal time in jail. Gemini tells me Adrian Peterson was only facing up to 2 years and I think his alleged physical abuse was more severe than what is alleged here.
I still don't undertsand how or why it's going on for 7 weeks.
And in America you can get a large number of years behind bars if you are caught with a joint, speeding or something else if you have past felonies, sooo.
There are like 6(?) Kids that are going to testify, then cross examinated, the documentary crew will probably testify, maybe the spouses will testify, and the parents will testify, Nordaas will testify. How are you going through 6 people that is going to talk through their whole life, then getting cross examinated, the defendant + 20-30 other witnesses in a few days?
Week one is for Jakob and his sister, week two is for Gjert, then there are 30 more witnesses summoned. You don't get to cram them in over a day or two?
Do you know what the prosecution and defence have indicated will be presented? How much affidavits, witrnesses called, expert testimonies etc etc??
You don't have a 7 week trial for an alleged minor crime like this. It's not minor to Jakob or his sister but in the grand scheme of things it's extremely minor. Even some police officers have complained about it apparently.
How can you say this, having little to no idea the details of how the Norwegian court system works?
Maybe they spend more time with character witnesses than you think. Maybe they are allowed multiple cross-examinations? Maybe the expert witness process takes more time than you are aware of? Who knows? Not us.
Thanks for the explanation. Employee 1..1 and I were talking about this and wondering about it yesterday. I mean in America if someone was accused of hitting their kid- they might lose parental rights and get a minimal time in jail. Gemini tells me Adrian Peterson was only facing up to 2 years and I think his alleged physical abuse was more severe than what is alleged here.
I still don't undertsand how or why it's going on for 7 weeks.
The 7 weeks is because of the long witnesses list on both sides (defence/prosecution).
For the record: Both Jakob and his sister have stressed that the emotional violence was felt far worse than the physical.
Lastly: I can’t forget that you called this case minor. Well, in a way it is -I think in a lot of countries (even maybe Norway with the “right” or “wrong” context) the claimed physical abuse would be regarded as so minor that the case would be dismissed. But as I mentioned in my last post: The prosecution claims also emotional abuse, or more exact: A combination of physical/emotional abuse they call “a regime of fear”. My point however is this: So called minor abuse has also an extremely serious side we very often forget -broadly accepted research shows that also severe criminality is more often done by victims of (also “minor”) abuse in their childhood than by people with regular family backgrounds. Not that I think that Jakob and his sister will become criminals, but you get my point… (less major and minor abuse will prevent severe criminality).
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I’m pretty sure the reasoning behind the Norwegian rule is that people should not be forced to self incriminate themselves or close family members. So it doesn’t have anything to do with how trustworthy they are.
