I’m pretty sure he was being sarcastic / trolling ThoughtsLeader.
Oh, 100% now I am realizing...sarcasm detector broken. It'd be interesting to think where Ethan Strand would finish had you airdropped him into that Millrose field.
Good arguments to be made for as high as 3rd and as low as 5th.
I was referring to the 2024 season in total, I am well aware that he lost the Olympics and that was the biggest race.
I’m referring to outdoor global championship 1500 racing. Jakob will NEVER win another outdoor global championship 1500 gold medal. That’s what I mean when I say it’s over for him in the 1500.
We’ve gone over this. You recall that Wanyonyi embarrassed 3:46 Kessler in a road mile last year? You realize he defeated Tim and Reynold at the Kenyan 2K xc championships? If you think he can’t run a fast 1500, you are mistaken.
Wanyonyi’s road mile WR is one of the softest in the books, and there are multiple guys that could run sub-3:50.
Yes, the record is soft, but that’s not the key. Did you watch the race? What’s key is how he left Kessler behind like Kessler was standing still. If people think Kessler is a quality miler, then demolishing him without breaking a sweat in the mile means something. He just did the same to Tim, a 3:28 1500 runner, over 2K. I think with a little focused training, Wanyonyi is a 3:28-9 1500 runner and with sustained training, even better. If he elects to move up after winning another global gold and setting the 800 wr, then he’s will be a big threat to Jakob. He may be the one person in the mid distances with a talent level like Jakob, though their talents are different.
Wanyonyi’s road mile WR is one of the softest in the books, and there are multiple guys that could run sub-3:50.
Yes, the record is soft, but that’s not the key. Did you watch the race? What’s key is how he left Kessler behind like Kessler was standing still. If people think Kessler is a quality miler, then demolishing him without breaking a sweat in the mile means something. He just did the same to Tim, a 3:28 1500 runner, over 2K. I think with a little focused training, Wanyonyi is a 3:28-9 1500 runner and with sustained training, even better. If he elects to move up after winning another global gold and setting the 800 wr, then he’s will be a big threat to Jakob. He may be the one person in the mid distances with a talent level like Jakob, though their talents are different.
Wanyonyi is also likely older than Kessler and Jakob. You left that out.
Until Jakob runs a tailored time-trial 3000 on the Millrose track, this is a fairly asinine statement.
Unless you are expecting Jakob to run 7:10, people are catching up.
What a stupid post. At what point was Jakob ever ten seconds faster than everyone else?
Anyway, wake up.
Some guy called Gary Martin just ran 3:48, smashing his PR in the distance by over five seconds, ranking eighth in the world all-time, scaring the best time of Hicham El Guerrouj and over a second faster than the PB of Bernard Lagat, one of history's greatest indoor milers.
This is all about technological advancement: faster shoes, faster tracks, pH doping with bicarb, etc.
Just like cycling, and swimming in the super-suit era, "breakthroughs" are coming every season and are down to who gets on the new gear first. As soon as Jakob or any one of a half dozen Kenyans use the same gear, they will "improve," too.
Do you think there is another reason that America is suddenly recording so many WRs and highly ranked times, after being absent from top-10 lists for years?? 🤣🤣🤣
Speed-wise, he's the slowest out of the big four. Strength-wise, everybody is catching up. Hocker just shocked the world with an indoor 7:23 in his only serious attempt. He could definitely get to around 7:20 outdoors, and Kerr and Nuguse may be even faster, so Jakob's only edge over his competitors is going out of window. Not to mention Kessler and Laros getting better and better.
I don't see how he would win another world title tbf.
Speed-wise, he's the slowest out of the big four. Strength-wise, everybody is catching up. Hocker just shocked the world with an indoor 7:23 in his only serious attempt. He could definitely get to around 7:20 outdoors, and Kerr and Nuguse may be even faster, so Jakob's only edge over his competitors is going out of window. Not to mention Kessler and Laros getting better and better.
I don't see how he would win another world title tbf.
Uumm yeah Jakob hasn’t even raced this year yet... Yes sure a bunch of athletes have made some huge improvements in their times over the last few days but who’s to say Jakob won’t be making some similar improvements this year also. I would be waiting until Jakob has got at least a couple of races under his belt this year before making any predictions around world champs etc.
Unless you are expecting Jakob to run 7:10, people are catching up.
What a stupid post. At what point was Jakob ever ten seconds faster than everyone else?
Anyway, wake up.
Some guy called Gary Martin just ran 3:48, smashing his PR in the distance by over five seconds, ranking eighth in the world all-time, scaring the best time of Hicham El Guerrouj and over a second faster than the PB of Bernard Lagat, one of history's greatest indoor milers.
This is all about technological advancement: faster shoes, faster tracks, pH doping with bicarb, etc.
Just like cycling, and swimming in the super-suit era, "breakthroughs" are coming every season and are down to who gets on the new gear first. As soon as Jakob or any one of a half dozen Kenyans use the same gear, they will "improve," too.
Do you think there is another reason that America is suddenly recording so many WRs and highly ranked times, after being absent from top-10 lists for years?? 🤣🤣🤣
That's cute.
Jakob was about 10 or more seconds faster than Hocker over 3k all last year. Now he’s not.
What a stupid post. At what point was Jakob ever ten seconds faster than everyone else?
Anyway, wake up.
Some guy called Gary Martin just ran 3:48, smashing his PR in the distance by over five seconds, ranking eighth in the world all-time, scaring the best time of Hicham El Guerrouj and over a second faster than the PB of Bernard Lagat, one of history's greatest indoor milers.
This is all about technological advancement: faster shoes, faster tracks, pH doping with bicarb, etc.
Just like cycling, and swimming in the super-suit era, "breakthroughs" are coming every season and are down to who gets on the new gear first. As soon as Jakob or any one of a half dozen Kenyans use the same gear, they will "improve," too.
Do you think there is another reason that America is suddenly recording so many WRs and highly ranked times, after being absent from top-10 lists for years?? 🤣🤣🤣
That's cute.
Jakob was about 10 or more seconds faster than Hocker over 3k all last year. Now he’s not.
Jakob is 26 seconds faster than Hockers 7:43 PR until Hocker proves he can run sub 7:30 outdoors and not just on juiced up indoor tracks.
Jakob is 26 seconds faster than Hockers 7:43 PR until Hocker proves he can run sub 7:30 outdoors and not just on juiced up indoor tracks.
So Ingebrigtsen's mile record is juiced up? I would agree with that.
It sure is, indoor performances had little relevance before the super tracks and they're even less relevant now. Most people probably don't have a 20 second difference between their indoor and outdoor times like Hocker though.
lol-ed at the people taunting me here with the so-called WR. Sorry mates, but that exactly proved my point: Jakob is one hell of a time trialer but a terrible racer who can't peak for meaningful, real races. His only major win came from the race handed to him by Timothy along with a weak field but that's 4 years ago, and since then the field has gotten much deeper with the emergence of new talents like Kerr, Hocker (both were already in it in the Tokyo Olympic, but not nearly as good as they are right now), Nuguse and now Kessler and Laros. Except Kessler and Laros who are still inexperienced, the other three are all better than Jakob in races that matter.
Jakob is someone who will put up impressive times left and right for a few months consistently pre-August, and then consistently gets spanked in championships (as he has been for 3 years and still counting).
No shame in that everyone has strengths and weaknesses. He's still a great time-trialer or even a formidable one(though Hocker is definitely catching up right now and may get the 3:25 ahead of him), but his chance of winning a major championship is over and that's the point of my thread and I stand by that. His future is in the 5k (and perhaps 10k).
lol-ed at the people taunting me here with the so-called WR. Sorry mates, but that exactly proved my point: Jakob is one hell of a time trialer but a terrible racer who can't peak for meaningful, real races. His only major win came from the race handed to him by Timothy along with a weak field but that's 4 years ago, and since then the field has gotten much deeper with the emergence of new talents like Kerr, Hocker (both were already in it in the Tokyo Olympic, but not nearly as good as they are right now), Nuguse and now Kessler and Laros. Except Kessler and Laros who are still inexperienced, the other three are all better than Jakob in races that matter.
Jakob is someone who will put up impressive times left and right for a few months consistently pre-August, and then consistently gets spanked in championships (as he has been for 3 years and still counting).
No shame in that everyone has strengths and weaknesses. He's still a great time-trialer or even a formidable one(though Hocker is definitely catching up right now and may get the 3:25 ahead of him), but his chance of winning a major championship is over and that's the point of my thread and I stand by that. His future is in the 5k (and perhaps 10k).
Jakob is such a terrible racer that he has Olympic Gold and two silvers in the event. The closest is Kerr who instead has a bronze. Incredible logic by SledgeHammer. I wish I could achieve this level of intelligence.
lol-ed at the people taunting me here with the so-called WR. Sorry mates, but that exactly proved my point: Jakob is one hell of a time trialer but a terrible racer who can't peak for meaningful, real races. His only major win came from the race handed to him by Timothy along with a weak field but that's 4 years ago, and since then the field has gotten much deeper with the emergence of new talents like Kerr, Hocker (both were already in it in the Tokyo Olympic, but not nearly as good as they are right now), Nuguse and now Kessler and Laros. Except Kessler and Laros who are still inexperienced, the other three are all better than Jakob in races that matter.
Jakob is someone who will put up impressive times left and right for a few months consistently pre-August, and then consistently gets spanked in championships (as he has been for 3 years and still counting).
No shame in that everyone has strengths and weaknesses. He's still a great time-trialer or even a formidable one(though Hocker is definitely catching up right now and may get the 3:25 ahead of him), but his chance of winning a major championship is over and that's the point of my thread and I stand by that. His future is in the 5k (and perhaps 10k).
Jakob is such a terrible racer that he has Olympic Gold and two silvers in the event. The closest is Kerr who instead has a bronze. Incredible logic by SledgeHammer. I wish I could achieve this level of intelligence.
Jakob's gold was from a weak era. His only competitor was Tim who ran a stupid race. His track record since then has proved that was a fluke and he will never grab golds in the 1500m again. Hell, it's even getting difficult for him to be on the podium again. I mean he just got demolished last year despite coming into race with a new PB and the shape of his life.
Jakob is such a terrible racer that he has Olympic Gold and two silvers in the event. The closest is Kerr who instead has a bronze. Incredible logic by SledgeHammer. I wish I could achieve this level of intelligence.
Jakob's gold was from a weak era. His only competitor was Tim who ran a stupid race. His track record since then has proved that was a fluke and he will never grab golds in the 1500m again. Hell, it's even getting difficult for him to be on the podium again. I mean he just got demolished last year despite coming into race with a new PB and the shape of his life.
Recency bias and cherry picking can be an art form, which you excel at.