Is the 800M a sprint?

I truly believe you can train the 800m and 1500m at the same time, but thats another argument of another time (Taoufik Makhloufi being the first example off the top of my head).

But what you are saying about the 400/800 runner is true. there are Fast twitch guys that have incredible natural endurance as well that make them elite at the 800m. Sumner split 53-51 for crying out loud. El Caballo proved the validity of the 400/800 athlete decades ago. brazier may of been a bit of a hybrid but he also got by through his blazing quarter mile quickness.

Nonetheless the exception doesn't make up the rule and the MAJORITY of elites in the 800m are historically closer to 1500m guys than 400m guys.

You need a mix of both to be elite though with that said.

There are three times of 800m runners:

400m/800m runners

800m specialists

800m/1500m runners

There are 1:41 runners from each group, and world record holders from each group.

Those saying the 800m is a sprint don’t understand the physiological definition of sprinting. Also, they fail to understand the definition of middle distance running.

Google “sprinting physiology” and learn the definition of sprinting, which includes high levels anaerobic respiration, unique ATP and 02 usage, more extreme joint angles, force production, etc, that are very different from middle distance running.

Just because 51 second 400m pace (1:42 800m pace) fits your definition of sprinting. It’s not sprinting at the elite level.

If you run 3 seconds than your 200m do you say you are sprinting? No. Well that’s the pace elites run the 800m at, three seconds slower than their 200m pace.

How many athletes have doubled at global championships in the 400m and 800m? You can count them on one hand, and only won has medaled in both.

How many athletes have doubled 800m and 1500m at global championships? Too many to count, and many have medaled in both.

Very few actually medal in both. But some of this has to do with schedule and recovery. The 1500/800 double is always 1500 first then moving down to the 800. The 1500 is less taxing on muscle firing than the 800. As you move down in distance and up in speed this gets worse. The 800 is usually far too taxing and makes the 400 double that much harder. It's tetanic contractions and creates a limitation on what the muscles can handle including time to recovery. If athletes had to double 800 then 1500 you would see almost no success in the 1500. In a 400/800 double it's always 400 first then 800. The tetanic contractions severely hamper what is possible in that double

Name more than one person who medaled at a global championship in 400m and 800m.

If you can, I’ll name ten who did it at 800m and 1500m.

and plenty of people have medaled at global championships in 800m and 1500m, with the 800m first, which is usually the case, making statement that this is impossible is garbage.

Agree.

While top end speed capability heavily affects one’s ability in the 400, it’s never actually expressed in a 400, so there are a great deal of similarities with 800 there.

Technique-wise, it’s very unusual for anyone to finish a 400 using a sprint-mechanics, if at all during the race. Same can be said of 800.

Both 400 and 800 sit in a mid-point between sprinting and running.

You're just as retarded as the other guy with no reading comprehension. I never said impossible moron. I also said the ones who medal in both, implying 8/15, which is obvious if you know how to read, is not common and very difficult. You say plenty as if it happens all the time. It does not. Plenty attempt it, few succeed

If you disagree with these definitions edit wiki

It does not matter what you think these are the accepted versions:

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Sprint (running)

Sprinting is running over a short distance at the top-most speed of the body in a limited period of time. It is used in many sports that incorporate running, typically as a way of quickly reaching a target or goal, or avoidin...

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Those high school coaches, in the back of their minds, know that they'll likely need to rely on some of those 800m guys during the cross country season.

I'll paraphrase Doug Soles from his Great Oak days, "I don't ignore the speed aspect. I've got cross country guys that still go 1:51".

This has literally nothing to do with what I'm saying lol. No sh!t an 800/1500 double is easier and thus way more common than a 400/800 double 😂

The 400 and 800 are so taxing individually that doubling in both seems like suicide.

Why do "sprinting levels" matter here? Elite level? HS level? Who cares? It's still sprinting

The whole point is that obviously, if you're a faster, stronger, more endurable athlete, then you are able to run more of a controlled sprint on your first lap rather than going all-out.

Kratochvílová and Juantorena.

So you found only one other person, besides Alberto J, who has medaled at a global championships at 400m and 800m is the most drug added female to have even run track.

Do you know why only one male and one female have ever medaled at global championships in 400m and 800m is because the 800m is a middle distance race not a sprint. It requires middle distance training.

Now do you really need a list of every male and female who have medaled at a global championships in the 800m and 1500m to understand that these two middle distance races and complementary?

Coe and Ovett have done it. Coe twice in fact.

You should stop posting. We've covered the reasons for this in multiple posts between myself and others. You're either retarded or deliberately ignoring the information presented to you. 5k 10k double is done all the time. So is 100 200. Opposite ends of the spectrum. Your argument is invalid. The 400 and 800 are both more taxing than any of those. Look up tetanic contractions. There's physiological limitations to performance and recovery. It's the same reason 400h isn't doubled on

How many 800 runners have doubled 800/4x400?? Too many to count.

Open 400-800 double is way tougher due to the meet schedule.

actually the 800m and 4 x 400m double at global championships is not that common. Nations will use 400m runners, 200m runners, and even 100m/110 hurdlers before putting 800m runners on a national team. Can you name one US men’s team that won gold with an 800m runner on the team?

and do you know why nations will use 800m runners as their last choice on the 4 x 400m? Because the 400m is a sprint and the 800m is middle distance. At the NATIONAL team level at international championships with plenty of sprinters the 800m guys are left out.

And the reason the schedule allows 800m and 1500m double is because they are both middle distance events and it’s a common double.

If the 400m/800m double had people to compete in it, the schedule would allow it. It’s so rare a double, it’s not even scheduled with regard to the other event.

The 800m is 51 for 400m pace at the in level. This is not even close to sprint for the guys competing in it.

since you brought up women. This further proves the 800m is not a sprint. The gap between 800m pace and sprinting pace is even more than it is for men.

The women’s world record for 400m is 47. World record pace for 800m is 56.5, almost 10 seconds slower!

How many sprinters, hurdlers, jumpers, and alternates would need to be injured before Bryce Hopell, US 800m record holder and only ever US 1:41 runner, got a call to run a leg on the US 4x 400m team at a global championship?

20 plus probably

Rudisha ran 2:19 for 1,000m

He only ran a couple of 400m's at senior level and nothing below that distance

The current olympic champion Emmanuel Wanyonyi has no recorded 400m time and has run a 3:54 mile

The WR for 1,000m was run by an 800m runner Ngeny who ran a 3:43 mile!