I think that's my final post on this topic. :-) (quote)
I wonder what happened to that?
Neatly sidestepping the subject of the thread, which is Bell's highly abnormal progression.
As usual, you are not interested in the facts and useful information presented. He literally addresses aspects of Georgia's training.
But not linking any of it to how it explains she dropped 14 seconds in a year, which is the thread subject. He was more apparently concerned about injury avoidance rather than her supersonic improvements. Perhaps you would care to explain its relevance to the thread topic?
As usual, you are not interested in the facts and useful information presented. He literally addresses aspects of Georgia's training.
Unless I'm missing something, it was just a couple of graphs that showed total running/cycling days and total running/cycling volume. It's like explaining how Djokovic got exceptional at tennis by sharing a graph that shows he plays tennis 6 days a week.
Unless the 'cycling' the graphs refer to is the other meaning, there are no answers on that graph that explain how a woman in her thirties put together 6 months of dedicated running training and dropped her PB by 14 seconds from the year before.
Even as a Brit, there's something very shady about Bell's performances.
I get that there's nuance to this. People cherry-picking times, her being out of the sport and a part-time runner for years, her showing a lot of promise as a junior and probably under delivering/achieving before stepping away and then coming back.
3:52 is a ridiculous time though, and you don't just get to that level because you've decided to train hard for a few years. I don't care how much unrealised potential you might have. Muir's been running religiously for a decade, held numerous national records, improved her times steadily over a long career and won global medals. Bell comes along and basically usurps her best time by taking chunks of her own PB repeatedly over the last year.
Hull is exactly the same with a 7 second improvement on her PB in the space of 4-5 months.
Yes, I can’t quite work out my thoughts on it all. But mostly I’m just really sad for Laura Muir. She has been at a top level for so long. She’s honest, humble and down to earth.
She comes back to run a PB after all these years in the Olympic final and it’s not enough to medal and she holds so many records. Georgia gets bronze after being on the scene (in terms of meets) since the indoors in Jan really.
No wonder she closed her season down and took some time off. She’s had a tough time over the last few years.
Nothing Georgia Bell or anyone else achieves diminishes Laura Muir. She won an Olympic silver, World bronze, the DL title and European titles. She moved forward British mid-d running after the Holmes era and is still running PBs at 31 after a long career. It was amazing to watch her kick down Hassan in Tokyo and she was one the people that brutalised the entire field in the 2022 final. Bell running 3:52 doesn't change Muir's place in the history of British distance running one bit in my view.
As usual, you are not interested in the facts and useful information presented. He literally addresses aspects of Georgia's training.
But not linking any of it to how it explains she dropped 14 seconds in a year, which is the thread subject. He was more apparently concerned about injury avoidance rather than her supersonic improvements. Perhaps you would care to explain its relevance to the thread topic?
Injury avoidance, in an extremely talented but injury-prone athlete, it's totally relevant when discussing improvements in performance.
But not linking any of it to how it explains she dropped 14 seconds in a year, which is the thread subject. He was more apparently concerned about injury avoidance rather than her supersonic improvements. Perhaps you would care to explain its relevance to the thread topic?
Injury avoidance, in an extremely talented but injury-prone athlete, it's totally relevant when discussing improvements in performance.
But again, to accept this as being totally legit we'd have to accept that Georgia Bell's talent level actually exceeds Kipyegon's. Because Bell was able to finish a whisker behind the greatest of all time despite Kipyegon having an incredibly consistent career starting from being a barefoot XC teen phenom and improving consistently from there, with the only time off being a relatively brief maternity leave.
Compare that with a seemingly less talented youth in Bell who took a load of time off, had completely unremarkable times as of one year ago and apparently is now one of the greatest 1500m runners of all time because she does a bit of cycling? I'm not saying it's impossible without some form of enhancement (maybe even maxi-dosing on legal enhancements?) but let's be honest, it was suspicious as hell when Katir came out of nowhere, and his progression wasn't anywhere near as ridiculous as this.
Nothing Georgia Bell or anyone else achieves diminishes Laura Muir. She won an Olympic silver, World bronze, the DL title and European titles. She moved forward British mid-d running after the Holmes era and is still running PBs at 31 after a long career. It was amazing to watch her kick down Hassan in Tokyo and she was one the people that brutalised the entire field in the 2022 final. Bell running 3:52 doesn't change Muir's place in the history of British distance running one bit in my view.
But not linking any of it to how it explains she dropped 14 seconds in a year, which is the thread subject. He was more apparently concerned about injury avoidance rather than her supersonic improvements. Perhaps you would care to explain its relevance to the thread topic?
Injury avoidance, in an extremely talented but injury-prone athlete, it's totally relevant when discussing improvements in performance.
Other talented athletes avoid injury but don't get an improvement of 14 secs in a year.
As usual, you are not interested in the facts and useful information presented. He literally addresses aspects of Georgia's training.
Unless I'm missing something, it was just a couple of graphs that showed total running/cycling days and total running/cycling volume. It's like explaining how Djokovic got exceptional at tennis by sharing a graph that shows he plays tennis 6 days a week.
Unless the 'cycling' the graphs refer to is the other meaning, there are no answers on that graph that explain how a woman in her thirties put together 6 months of dedicated running training and dropped her PB by 14 seconds from the year before.
Nothing Georgia Bell or anyone else achieves diminishes Laura Muir. She won an Olympic silver, World bronze, the DL title and European titles. She moved forward British mid-d running after the Holmes era and is still running PBs at 31 after a long career. It was amazing to watch her kick down Hassan in Tokyo and she was one the people that brutalised the entire field in the 2022 final. Bell running 3:52 doesn't change Muir's place in the history of British distance running one bit in my view.
Yes good post.
I’m sure Laura has more success ahead too.
I hope so. What that's defined as for her is going to change, I think. She's talked about improving her 5k PB, which is pretty modest. And I'm certainly not going to rule out a 1500 medal for her after running 3:53 this year. There's ups and downs every season, who knows if Hull and Bell will be able to replicate their form of this year.
What were her PRs before she retired and for how was she out of the sport?
In 2008 - at the age of 14 - she ran 2:08.81 and 4:35.91, but then got steadily slower from 2009 - 2012 and did not run at all in 2013. This might have been injury related, I don't know.
In 2014 she started being coached by Trevor Painter (who was coaching Jenny Meadows at the time) and improved significantly, setting new PBs of 2:03.38 and 4:18.75.
Then in 2015 she went to Berkley, but during her time there she set no new PBs at all. Her final NCAA race was in May 2017, and after that her next recorded track race of any kind was in 2022.
In 2008 - at the age of 14 - she ran 2:08.81 and 4:35.91, but then got steadily slower from 2009 - 2012 and did not run at all in 2013. This might have been injury related, I don't know.
In 2014 she started being coached by Trevor Painter (who was coaching Jenny Meadows at the time) and improved significantly, setting new PBs of 2:03.38 and 4:18.75.
Then in 2015 she went to Berkley, but during her time there she set no new PBs at all. Her final NCAA race was in May 2017, and after that her next recorded track race of any kind was in 2022.
Injury avoidance, in an extremely talented but injury-prone athlete, it's totally relevant when discussing improvements in performance.
Other talented athletes avoid injury but don't get an improvement of 14 secs in a year.
Really? Lest we forget Josette Andrews who went from 4:15 to 3:59 in one year, the same year she also went from 15:57 to 14:51 and the mile from 4:46 to 4:22. Speaking of sus.
Really? Lest we forget Josette Andrews who went from 4:15 to 3:59 in one year, the same year she also went from 15:57 to 14:51 and the mile from 4:46 to 4:22. Speaking of sus.
Really? Lest we forget Josette Andrews ran 4:10.82 in 2019 (1120 WA points) and then ran 8:58.23 (1134 points) in 2020, a year with very few opportunities to race due to Covid. A 78-point improvement in two years is very common and people have improved more than that in one year. And she has been consistent in the years since, unlike others who have suspicious improvements and then never run those times again. But whatever you do, don't let the truth get in the way of a good lie.
Really? Lest we forget Josette Andrews who went from 4:15 to 3:59 in one year, the same year she also went from 15:57 to 14:51 and the mile from 4:46 to 4:22. Speaking of sus.
Really? Lest we forget Josette Andrews ran 4:10.82 in 2019 (1120 WA points) and then ran 8:58.23 (1134 points) in 2020, a year with very few opportunities to race due to Covid. A 78-point improvement in two years is very common and people have improved more than that in one year. And she has been consistent in the years since, unlike others who have suspicious improvements and then never run those times again. But whatever you do, don't let the truth get in the way of a good lie.
Blah blah blah. Not too obvi is right. Good lie?? Can’t lie about public information on dates and results. And never improved let alone ran a 3:59 again in her life. And her 1500m times consistently have been getting worse. Her improvement initially was completely suspect which is what the topic is here.
Really? Lest we forget Josette Andrews who went from 4:15 to 3:59 in one year, the same year she also went from 15:57 to 14:51 and the mile from 4:46 to 4:22. Speaking of sus.
That’s blatantly suspect. More than Bell and some others. Shame since she never got far over the years even with all that . And from I recall both Olympic Trials were a disaster