You know exactly why they did that! Let’s handover the medals to europeans😂
Wait until Italia tests positive too! This will become a greater joke 😆
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looks like kipyegon has been resinstated as silver
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JackmanJones wrote:
Baselessly accusing people of PEDs and doping detracts from actually interesting conversations about professional running, such as racing and training. It encourages cynicism, including among the young runners we know use this site. It does not help the governing bodies of the sport catch any cheaters. All it does is poison the discourse, and drive people away from the sport.
Well said. I completely agree with this.
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Tsegay led the race 600m before the finish
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Hobby1jogger wrote:
If this Olympic committee wanted drama they are delivering. On the spot changes that doesn't let SFR into the gate just different from yesterday's routine, the repechage has been delivering very close second chances, 20 women in the women's pole vault final, photo finish in men's 100. Who would think we would see Faith DQ'd with medal changes on the spot. But on a high note Duplantis breaks his own world record. The drama continues. This is a can't miss Olympics
The Olympic committee isn't responsible for officiating sports.
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Skskskjsjdjddj wrote:
She was DQ. WTF tsegay should be DQ
LRC update: Here is video of the incident:
Complete joke and glad they got it right in the end. Was sure when they said they had an update Tsegay would be getting DQd. Asinine she got DQd to begin with.
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Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
rojo wrote:
I just added in the What a joke to the title. We watched the replay. The contact just before 800m to go SHOULD NOT result in a DQ of anybody. . Seriously people.
Faith knows Tsegay is going to drift and she kind of proactively gives her shove but it wasn't that bad. Our sport is a joke. If it that happened 5 meters from the finish, yes, but 820 meters? No.
I will say this until I'm blue in the face. When you occupy a spot on the track that someone wants to take, it's on them to avoid and not create the situation where you (the runner being passed) might initiate contact. The initiation of the contact is not the single determining factor in terms of culpability.
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Plain and simple and as much as I admire Gudaf Tsegay, it was her fault but Chebet was going to win regardless. Beatrice is operating on a new level since her 10000m WR.
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Sorry, wrong thread
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rojo wrote:
rojo wrote:
I just added in the What a joke to the title. We watched the replay. The contact just before 800m to go SHOULD NOT result in a DQ of anybody. . Seriously people.
Faith knows Tsegay is going to drift and she kind of proactively gives her shove but it wasn't that bad. Our sport is a joke. If it that happened 5 meters from the finish, yes, but 820 meters? No.
I've now seen a front on shot. She does proactively appear to grab Hassan. Thus I actually can kind of see what she was DQd.
Huh?
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rojo wrote:
rojo wrote:
I just added in the What a joke to the title. We watched the replay. The contact just before 800m to go SHOULD NOT result in a DQ of anybody. . Seriously people.
Faith knows Tsegay is going to drift and she kind of proactively gives her shove but it wasn't that bad. Our sport is a joke. If it that happened 5 meters from the finish, yes, but 820 meters? No.
I've now seen a front on shot. She does proactively appear to grab Hassan. Thus I actually can kind of see what she was DQd.
So you edit the title of the thread to show how you disagree with the DQ.
Then you kind of get convinced the DQ was correct. (ignoring your Hassan error)
Then the DQed gets reversed.
Where are you now?
Are you outraged by the reversal of the DQ you were originally outraged by?
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VIPAM wrote:
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
I will say this until I'm blue in the face. When you occupy a spot on the track that someone wants to take, it's on them to avoid and not create the situation where you (the runner being passed) might initiate contact. The initiation of the contact is not the single determining factor in terms of culpability.
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Plain and simple and as much as I admire Gudaf Tsegay, it was her fault but Chebet was going to win regardless. Beatrice is operating on a new level since her 10000m WR.
Thanks Vipey.
And again it comes down to this - if the officials had just kept their cool and handled it correctly there would have been no drama. You go behind closed doors with all camps involved, hear both sides and have an objective decision made. Instead we had a DQ flash up after 5min, Kipyegon going ballistic in the mixed zone, Battocletti with tears of joy, track and field media going insane and ultimately? All for nothing.
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Starr wrote:
rojo wrote:
I've now seen a front on shot. She does proactively appear to grab Hassan. Thus I actually can kind of see what she was DQd.
So you edit the title of the thread to show how you disagree with the DQ.
Then you kind of get convinced the DQ was correct. (ignoring your Hassan error)
Then the DQed gets reversed.
Where are you now?
Are you outraged by the reversal of the DQ you were originally outraged by?
As rojo was outraged by the DQ, as he then agreed after seeing another angle, as now he disagrees with the reversal of the call that he disagreed with
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JackmanJones wrote:
Steve The Addict OFFICIAL -----^^^^^ wrote:
Would be karma she's on EPO for sure anyways.
I’m so tired of this crap. No other sport has fans that care at all about doping allegations. But it infests every thread on Letsrun. There isn’t a single athlete in all of track and field you can discuss without someone popping in to accuse them of doping.
It’s bad for the site and it’s bad for the sport.
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Many years ago I competed along side of World #1's, World, Olympic Champion, NR holders and drugs was horrible back then, to I can only imagine how it is decades later. The coaches DON'T NECESSARILY know their athletes are doping in MOST scenarios.
DON'T ask what team or who I ran with because I'm not revealing it just to have true facts distorted by immature posters. The FACT IS DRUGS ARE PREVALENT in any sport in which money can be made....so stop wasting your breath talking about something that is NOT going to change.
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has appealed and won!
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NOT wrote:
Skskskjsjdjddj wrote:
She was DQ. WTF tsegay should be DQ
You need your eyes checked ✔️… watch it a few times before you run your mouth.
At worst both or neither. Neither one cut off the other. The live action shows their feet. Nobody cut anybody off. Tsegay seemed to just throw a rando elbow. And it was on.
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terribleofficiating wrote:
After watching the contact over a dozen times, I think it is even more ridiculous that Kipyegon was disqualified.
I watched the race live and was surprised there was any DQ. After watching the replay a couple times, it seemed like it might be reasonable to DQ Kipyegon because she clearly grabbed Tsegay's arm - not just jostling but a clear grab.
BUT, after watching the replay several more times, it became clear that Kipyegon really had no choice - Tsegay was literally forcing Kipyegon off the track and with Tsegay's wide arm swing it looks like Tsegay hit the center of Kipyegon 's bib with her hand and then was slow to move her arm away because it was blocked by Kipyegon 's body.
Truly a terrible call. There is no need for officials to interfere with the results. My experience is the more officials there are the more likely there is to be bad calls and unnecessary interference in the results - the judges want to justify their pay.
Hopefully Kipyegon is reinstated on appeal a d the judges who made this terrible call are fired and not given a pay check.
Olympic races and all races should be about the athletes and not the officials.
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Henok posted a link to good images of the contact on the love thread^^^ Post of the night. This is my final conclusion. Although I don't think you can call it a "truly terrible call" if you thought it made sense initially.
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i finally watched the world feed which is different from the US feed - it gives you several more seconds of context. you are correct that nobody cut anybody off - kipyegon saw tsegay moving up next to her and initiated contact to defend her space, tsegay responded by swinging her arm out wider to defend her space, looking like she was throwing an elbow but i wouldnt call it a hostile act, just defending her space after kipyegon preemptively defended hers.
kipyegon then goes a bit too far by grabbing tsegays arm, but i dont think it rose to the level of a DQ - and then they jockey a bit until tsegay moves out ahead and in front of kipyegon.
my final assessment is that kipyegon initiated the contact, neither runner impeded the other until they were already well into the fracas, and at that point tsegay cutting kipyegon off was reasonable, and neither one should have been DQ'd
that is all in the context of what i feel is fair, i have no idea what the actual rules say.
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"it became clear that Kipyegon really had no choice - Tsegay was literally forcing Kipyegon off the track and with Tsegay's wide arm swing it looks like Tsegay hit the center of Kipyegon 's bib with her hand"
this was after kipyegon initiated the first contact, while tsegay was not impeding her in any way, the "elbow" was a response, not the first act. kipyegon started the altercation and if anything she VERY slightly leaned into tsegay/began to move outward to defend her space, its very slight - you have to freeze frame it and watch it in very slo-mo to even notice it, so its basically inconsequential imo.
i dont think it changed the race results, nobody being DQ'd is the right call.
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