The Olympic testing is actually stringent enough that dopers do in fact have to cycle off. We’ll see who can still run great times at the Olympics. It’s why I think runners like Kipyegon or Ingebrigtsen are LESS likely to be doping than many others, because they still run FAST at the Olympics. No way Hull even comes close to 3:50 at the Olympics, and that will say all that you need to know about what this performance was today.
You think the testing at a Diamond League meet isn't stringent? Seriously? The testing is carried out by the same organisations as the Olympics. A difference in performance between this meet and the Olympics tells you very little about whether she's clean or not.
Most doping is done out of competition. The chances of testing positive in competition are very low.
There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that Jess is doping. She is as far removed from the sort of personality that would go down that path as it gets. Those of us who know people know that. The fact is, extraordinary people do extraordinary things. Not that any of the naysayers on here would know anything about that. What a ludicrous cess pit this forum is.
I suppose you thought Lucy Letby must be innocent as well because she doesn't seem like a child murderer. Dopers can be any athlete - they won't show you what they are like by their personality.
She's probably learned a lot from the last Kipyegon WR 13 months ago. She did a lot of running in no man's land (for lack of a better phrase). Crazy to think that entering that race, Hull's PB was 8 seconds slower (3:58.81). Seems like leaving UAC and moving back home 15 months ago and having a Peter/Seb Coe thing going on with her original coach "meticulous" Dad helped heaps.
Congratulations kanny.
First to apply deductive reasoning on post #119 of this thread -- and you figured it out.
Like Grant and Elise, Jessica knew the pro team environment that had carried her since college had taken her as far as it could. So, she struck out on her own.
Now with family, probably has cleaned up a lot of other aspects of her life such as proper diet, rest and recovery -- and for all we know, Daddy Hull may be the best mile coach in the world.
Sure - they always are. I like how it takes professional athletes years to learn about "proper diet, rest, and recovery".
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There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that Jess is doping. She is as far removed from the sort of personality that would go down that path as it gets. Those of us who know people know that. The fact is, extraordinary people do extraordinary things. Not that any of the naysayers on here would know anything about that. What a ludicrous cess pit this forum is.
I suppose you thought Lucy Letby must be innocent as well because she doesn't seem like a child murderer. Dopers can be any athlete - they won't show you what they are like by their personality.
I am curious if most athletes are brought into doping by their coaches, agents, etc. vs. under their own initiative. If I had to guess, I'd go with the former. Your thoughts?
Was wondering how far this performance of 3:50 is off a sub 4 min mile and its equivalent to a 4:06 one. So still not close but getting closer. Crazy.
Where the hell did you get 4:06 from? It’s worth 4:10.89 according to IAAF, every source I have says 4:10.X. Use your brain a little, that’s faster than kipyegon’s mile world record. Typical conversion factor for 1500 to mile is 1.08
Was wondering how far this performance of 3:50 is off a sub 4 min mile and its equivalent to a 4:06 one. So still not close but getting closer. Crazy.
Where the hell did you get 4:06 from? It’s worth 4:10.89 according to IAAF, every source I have says 4:10.X. Use your brain a little, that’s faster than kipyegon’s mile world record. Typical conversion factor for 1500 to mile is 1.08
1.08 gives a 4:09 conversion FWIW. I'm guessing he got 4:06 by just looking at the pace (it is indeed 4:06 pace). 4:08-4:10 is a fair conversion for a 3:50 1500.
I suppose you thought Lucy Letby must be innocent as well because she doesn't seem like a child murderer. Dopers can be any athlete - they won't show you what they are like by their personality.
I am curious if most athletes are brought into doping by their coaches, agents, etc. vs. under their own initiative. If I had to guess, I'd go with the former. Your thoughts?
It possibly depends on the degree of ambition of the athlete. Some will likely seek advantage through their own efforts, as they see others succeeding. Others may be advised by coaches that success will depend on doping. In some environments - like the former E Bloc - doping will virtually be institutionalised and thus "cultural". Kenya today shows signs of that.
When I went to letsrun to see rxns to the 1500wr there were only two threads about it being promoted on letsruns homepage (they claim an algorithm determines which threads get those spots—I don’t go sifting through the threads), one for kipyegon, one for hull. They were, at the time, vibing on two totally different wavelengths
False. An algorithm doesn't do anything on letsrun and we've never said it does.
We pride ourselves on being a human search engine. A computer puts up "super hot threads" and that's it (and counts the most popular threads at the bottom of the forum).
ignoring the parenthesized remark, is it possible the rest of this post is true?
Caucasian World Record, right, you disgusting racist?
Amazing. That post and this one:
Butterzzzz wrote: Kipyegon’s wr thread is all doping this and doping that but hull gets nothing but praise….
The reality in the year 2024 is we are far more likely to see racism when there is none than to actuallly see racism.
The realiity is this. There currently is an 8-page thread - much bigger than this one - talking about they view Hull as suspicious. And CWR refers to Commownealth World Record not Caucasian World Record.
Butterzzzz wrote: Kipyegon’s wr thread is all doping this and doping that but hull gets nothing but praise….
That's because she took several years off. Her athletic age is several years younger than her chronological age because she'd been staying health-level fit rather than competition-level fit up into last year, so she hasn't put the same amount of wear and tear on her body as the women who have been competing consistently since their late teens.
No that doesn’t fully explain it at all. Look at her progression. This is just nonsense. Why would she be so much better now? There is a reason but it is NOT because she took 3 years off in her prime. She wasn’t very good before her break.
She's better now because she's healthier and has better coaching. The entire time she was in the US/NCAA she never improved upon her teenage times.
No disrespect to Hull but 3:50 under ideal circumstances does not make her a 3:50x miler - we’ve all seen athletes get pulled along to times they can’t repeat - for many years the top 1500 times occurred chasing El’G and likewise the top 800 times occurred chasing Rudushia
No disrespect to Hull but 3:50 under ideal circumstances does not make her a 3:50x miler - we’ve all seen athletes get pulled along to times they can’t repeat - for many years the top 1500 times occurred chasing El’G and likewise the top 800 times occurred chasing Rudushia
Kipyegon’s wr thread is all doping this and doping that but hull gets nothing but praise….
Because Hull is a blonde , white woman from one the, though athletically inferior, Western countries that majority of users on this site reside and cannot accept that they're constantly getting the floor mopped with them in the distance races. They will play dumb and give all sorts of lame excuses to explain a massive 5-7 second time drop of an extremely mediocre runner such as Hull.
She gets the massive benefit of being white and is hyped as a worthy challenger while at the same time ignoring her dramatic, by dramatic I mean highly suspicious, 'improvement'.
Everything about this sham permanence by hull screams 'aided' and you'd have to be either a complete fool or from one of the aforementioned countries to believe otherwise.
False. An algorithm doesn't do anything on letsrun and we've never said it does.
We pride ourselves on being a human search engine. A computer puts up "super hot threads" and that's it (and counts the most popular threads at the bottom of the forum).
ignoring the parenthesized remark, is it possible the rest of this post is true?
Based on past threads, it just counts views (not number of comments).
Kipyegon’s wr thread is all doping this and doping that but hull gets nothing but praise….
Because Hull is a blonde , white woman from one the, though athletically inferior, Western countries that majority of users on this site reside and cannot accept that they're constantly getting the floor mopped with them in the distance races. They will play dumb and give all sorts of lame excuses to explain a massive 5-7 second time drop of an extremely mediocre runner such as Hull.
She gets the massive benefit of being white and is hyped as a worthy challenger while at the same time ignoring her dramatic, by dramatic I mean highly suspicious, 'improvement'.
Everything about this sham permanence by hull screams 'aided' and you'd have to be either a complete fool or from one of the aforementioned countries to believe otherwise.
there are definitely a fair amount of people calling hull out for this obviously dirty performance.
But the number of people I've seen saying things like "she's not doping because she doesn't seeeeeeeem like she would" is disheartening.
There was someone saying that her body language in the interview didn't indicate she was lying. Like...what? That's all bias, you know.
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