When Jakob Ingebristen is winning, he's not doping,
When Noah Lyles or Coleman is winning, he's not doping,
When shacari is winning, she ain't doping,
When femke bol is winning, she's not doping,
When East Africans win, they're doping. Huh! This nonsense and double standards should stop!!
Yes, it has absolutely nothing to do with 400+ Kenyan busts, nearly 40 the other day alone, multiple world record holders and global medalists getting popped, Kenya narrowly escaping a ban from athletics, and this guy's coach being arrested for administering EPO to athletes.
You didn't see her run her world records. Not old enough, I guess.
I have seen all her WRs and I'm old enough. You guessed wrong, as so often.
Absolutely normal celebration after any of her WRs. The most relaxed looking athlete after setting a WR probably was Coe. Also Geb after some of his many.
His name is Claudio Berardelli. He has had at least six of his athletes banned for doping, including Titus Ekiru and Rita Jeptoo. Three of the athletes were banned for at least 8 years. Three of them were found guilty of tampering with medical records or obstructing the AIU, in addtion to their doping.
He worked with the infamous Frederico Rosa, but his doping associations were too much even for him. He was arrested for administering EPO to athletes, but the Kenyan police (lol) could find no concrete evidence.
There are doping accusations leveled against each of those runners and Coleman has been banned for two years for missing tests, but the real issue here is that none of those countries have four hundred athletics doping positives in the past ten years, not even close, and that is why every great new Kenyan athlete is rightly suspected, and not just by obvious racists like coevett. Wanyonyi just ran 1:41.7 with no pacer, no pacing lights, and no drafting, after a semi where he fell, I think. That shows low 1:41 capacity, or better. And when his first recorded year of 800s featured a 1:43, and his circumstances suggest that he was probably several years older (who runs 1:43 his first year?), so he is likely age cheating (his progression looks about right for a current 22 year old) and his Italian coach has had many athletes test positive, so it will not surprise anyone if he tests positive in the coming years.
Peter Coe wanted Seb to do some strides or easier sprints right after his races to help with recovery, and knowing that he'd immediately be swamped by photographers, he would have him take a victory lap to get it done. He doesn't always do this after his wr's but you can see him doing it at the end of some races as well.
There are doping accusations leveled against each of those runners and Coleman has been banned for two years for missing tests, but the real issue here is that none of those countries have four hundred athletics doping positives in the past ten years, not even close, and that is why every great new Kenyan athlete is rightly suspected, and not just by obvious racists like coevett. Wanyonyi just ran 1:41.7 with no pacer, no pacing lights, and no drafting, after a semi where he fell, I think. That shows low 1:41 capacity, or better. And when his first recorded year of 800s featured a 1:43, and his circumstances suggest that he was probably several years older (who runs 1:43 his first year?), so he is likely age cheating (his progression looks about right for a current 22 year old) and his Italian coach has had many athletes test positive, so it will not surprise anyone if he tests positive in the coming years.
Some of this is fair. The age cheating part is a bit sanctimonious on that point. Wanyonyi went to the senior ranks in 2022, if he were really intent on being a “cheat” he could’ve continued to dominate juniors in Cali instead of getting humbled in Oregon vs the best of the world. The point about his first recorded year misses that 2020 was a COVID year which no doubt factors. In 2018-2019 he was running in school/regional competitions that don’t post their results to World Athletics databases. I think it’s reasonable to think he may be 1-2 years older than listed, sure. He’s obviously physically mature and has been.
As far as his potential based on this run, it’s no doubt quite good. The pacer part could be significant, though finding a pacer to go through in 49.7 while nobody in the field beats him to the break at 24.3 etc might prove tricky. Also not having to travel and being based in Kenya for ~4 weeks before isn’t a luxury he’ll have for a future attempt. Though Kenya has a base in Paris for sprinters and I wonder if the 800m guys might go there early. The semi part is interesting because it was going to be an 80% effort run and then he falls kicking at the end and getting tripped. Not beneficial but not exactly like he’d run particularly hard the day before. From a psychological point, it definitely increased his focus and led him to run much more deliberately than in the past. Even in his wins last year, he’d been more content often to rely on his kick and go out conservatively. You could argue there’s been time there when he finally went out hard and didn’t run as patiently.
went back and watched his races and have to admit this guy never looks tired after a race. sometimes when an athlete wins they get a burst of energy and won't look tired compared to the other competitors, so i watched his world champs race where he got 2nd (thus taken to his limit for sure since he didn't win) and he never bends over to put his hands on his knees or lay down or anything like that. keeps his head held high every time.
so the whole making it look too easy bit is pretty much this guys m.o.
in 2023 he ran between 1:42.80 - 1:43.32 four times, with his other 7 results being 1:43.83 - 1:44.92 plus a 1:46 that was in a qualifying heat.
in 2024 he ran 1:43.57, 1:43.84, 1:51.76 (got tripped in a qualifying heat) then 1:41.70.
in his career he's run 1:43s seven times, twice in 2024, six in 2023, once in 2021
he had broken 1:43 with that 1:42.80 just once, coming last year at prefontaine
doping or not, 1:41.70 is a totally new level for Wanyonyi
2nd place Wycliffe Kinyamal had a very similar breakthrough: he had run in the 1:43s every season since 2017 (excluding 2020). his PB of 1:43.12 came in 2018 with his 2nd fastest result of 1:43.22 in 2023 so he's been extremely consistent. broke 1:43 for the first time in his career with his 1:42.50.
3rd place Koitatoi Kidali had the biggest breakthrough of all: he ran sub-1:46 once in 2022, once again in 2023, and then twice this season going 1:45.72 and 1:45.78. dude just dropped his SB by over 3 seconds and his PB of 1:45.24 from 2022 improved by 2.58 seconds!
*anybody know where the results can be viewed for this race? been searching on google for about 20 minutes and haven't seen it anywhere. very interested to see how the other competitors did relative to their PBs considering the top-3 all had very significant improvement.
Appreciate you having an open mind. The results will be added to World Athletics soon but I haven’t seen them. Kidali is a big surprise. He is young I think running that 1:45 at age 19, but he ran a great race here and I feel for the 4th placer Alex Ngeno Kipngetich who finally broke into the 1:43s but gets outkicked. Will say rarely do you see a setup this good. 24.3/49.95 pacing by Wanyonyi and only 9 athletes with pretty clean runs (eg little bunching/physicality) from everyone. For Kinyamal he usually is leading and gets outkicked or makes a more aggressive move at 300 to go. Here Wanyonyi towed him along.
Alex Ng'eno migjt be on the team. There is a possibility.
You didn't see her run her world records. Not old enough, I guess.
I have seen all her WRs and I'm old enough. You guessed wrong, as so often.
Absolutely normal celebration after any of her WRs. The most relaxed looking athlete after setting a WR probably was Coe. Also Geb after some of his many.
Normal celebration? As in no signs of fatigue whatsoever? She ran an 800 record that still stands more than forty years later. Nothing to it.
I have seen all her WRs and I'm old enough. You guessed wrong, as so often.
Absolutely normal celebration after any of her WRs. The most relaxed looking athlete after setting a WR probably was Coe. Also Geb after some of his many.
Normal celebration? As in no signs of fatigue whatsoever? She ran an 800 record that still stands more than forty years later. Nothing to it.
again, would be interested to see some video of athletes setting a WR that look totally exhausted at the line
i'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's certainly rare even in the marathon!
Why the insults? If you want such incredible results go work for it as well. You’ve got no idea what it takes to be a world class athlete for sure. Take time to visit this athletes while training and during competitions interact with them engage them then you’ll understand how strict doping control is and you can’t afford to jeopardize your career for a few wins! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I have seen all her WRs and I'm old enough. You guessed wrong, as so often.
Absolutely normal celebration after any of her WRs. The most relaxed looking athlete after setting a WR probably was Coe. Also Geb after some of his many.
Normal celebration? As in no signs of fatigue whatsoever? She ran an 800 record that still stands more than forty years later. Nothing to it.
Yes, normal celebrations after all her records. Yes, her 800m WR still stands after more than fourty years and she looked relatively fresh (as far as you can see on the video).
Coe after some of his records looked fresh like coming from a walk in the park.
Alex Ng'eno migjt be on the team. There is a possibility.
The man can handle the rounds.
Feels unlikely. He’s never made a global final or run a time like the one Kidali ran. I’m sure the AK coaches would like to see him reproduce it in Europe, but 1:42.6 speaks for itself!
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