2-4 pm ET: Official 2024 Oslo Diamond League Discussion Thread (+ Live Reaction Show Right After)

rojo · 2024-05-30T13:10:03-04:00

The first European Wanda Diamond League meet of the year is today in Oslo as the Bislett Games are taking place. The men's 5000, 400h and 1500 have me super pumped.Timing site is here:https://oslo.diamondleague.com/program-resultat-oslo/#baseFrame#__athSchedule#ScheduleInit#Oslo_2024_CURRENTEVENT_JSONWe'll be doing a live reaction show right when it ends.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dBNJkfVDeY

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2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:16pm EDT

re: Salvitore Stitchmo

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
kejelcha appreciator wrote:
Can we get some love for kejelcha? All the diamond leagues he is in are SO entertaining because he is so fearless. Imagine crossing 3k at 7:41 and then clicking 60s and 59s. He never has the close to win but honestly I don't care, I don't hold that against him, and I'm still a massive fan. Without him I don't think any of the 12:40 races last year, as well as the DL 3k final, would have happened. Thumbs up if you agree.
I do agree. I'm still struggling to understand how and why he doesn't seem to want to replicate these sorts of efforts in major championship finals?

Because then he loses the last lap, as we just saw.

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:16pm EDT

re: Salvitore Stitchmo

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
A good result for him tbh in 61-degree temps.
I think it's a good race for him because with doping he's a 10.0X runner. To be perfectly honest here.

Fair enough. European champs will be telling. I think Reider is a great coach, and if he has him running 9.9x there, I’d be on notice.

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:16pm EDT

re: 5000_history

5000_history wrote:
recent races that are as fast as the pacing target of 12:41
Yomif Kejelcha, Jacob Kiplimo (2023 Oslo DL)- 12:41.73 (2:34.8, 2:36.1, 2:36.3, 2:30.3, 2:24.2):
time @ 1k: 2:34.8, 2k: 5:10.9, 3k: 7:47.2, 4k: 10:17.5, 5k: 12:41.73
Joshua Cheptegei (2023 Lausanne DL)- 12:41.61 (2:35.7, 2:34.8, 2:36.6, 2:31.9, 2:27.1):
time @ 1k: 2:35.7, 2k: 5:10.5, 3k: 7:42.5, 4k: 10:14.2, 5k: 12:41.61
Berihu Aregawi (2023 Lausanne DL)- 12:40.45 (2:35.0, 2:34.8, 2:31.7, 2:32.2, 2:26.7):
time @ 1k: 2:35.0, 2k: 5:09.8, 3k: 7:41.5, 4k: 10:13.7 5k: 12:40.45
==================================================================
sub-12:40 club:
Daniel Komen (1997)- 12:39.74 (2:32.7, 2:32.7, 2:31.9, 2:31.21, 2:31.2):
time @ 1k: 2:32.7, 2k: 5:05.4, 3k: 7:37.3, 4k: 10:08.51, 5k: 12:39.74
Haile Gebrselassie (1998)- 12:39.36 (2:34.8, 2:31.6, 2:32.9, 2:32.8, 2:27.3):
time @ 1k: 2:34.8, 2k: 5:06.4, 3k: 7:39.3, 4k: 10:12.1, 5k: 12:39.39
Kenenisa Bekele (2004)- 12:37.35 (2:33.24, 2:32.23, 2:31.87, 2:30.59, 2:29.42):
time @ 1k: 2:33.24, 2k: 5:05.47, 3k: 7:37.34, 4k: 10:07.93, 5k: 12:37.35
Joshua Cheptegei (2021)- 12:35.36 (2:32.3, 2:31.8, 2:31.1, 2:30.3, 2:29.9):
time @ 1k: 2:32.2, 2k: 5:04.1, 3k: 7:35.2, 4k: 10:05.5, 5k: 12:35.36
If the pacing target is 12:41 (maybe to beat the meeting record), then an even pace comes through in 7:36.6(2:32.2 per km). Still this, would likely be the second fastest start to a 5000m ever, and would allow the world record to still be threatened with a fast close.
Do you think that the race will actually go out in ~ 7:37? I could see 12:40 still being broken with a start as slow as 7:43. Still, 7:40 requires a 2k finish sub 5 which is just as dreadfully difficult.
How many break 12:40?
I don’t know that I see anyone besides Kejelcha running this.
12:50?
I think that there could be a few. Would love to see Adrian Wildschut and Grijalva in that type of form.

Yomif Kejelcha (2024)- 12:38.95 (2:33.13, 2:33.92, 2:34.00, 2:30.81, 2:27.09)

Hagos Gebrhiwet (2024)-12.36.73 (2:33.13, 2:33.92, 2:34.00, 2:30.81, 2:27.09)

time @1k: 2:33.13, time @2k: 5:07.05, time @3k: 7:41.05, time @4k 10:11.86

Hagos came up behind Kejelcha around 3k, but the whole pack was within a second of Kejelcha until then, he stayed behind him until the last lap where he blitzed a 54.99 to Kejelcha’s 57.21.

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:17pm EDT

re: snowflakes

snowflakes wrote:
I don't know why but did anyone think Steve Cram was a little underwhelming in his reaction to this time? I mean he gave credit but it didn't seem exciting as this was literally faster than Bekele's run.

Steve Cram isn't commentating, so no.

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:17pm EDT

re: kiltedrunner

kiltedrunner wrote:
snowflakes wrote:
I don't know why but did anyone think Steve Cram was a little underwhelming in his reaction to this time? I mean he gave credit but it didn't seem exciting as this was literally faster than Bekele's run.
Steve Cram isn't commentating, so no.

I meant tim hutchings sorry

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:18pm EDT

re: Salvitore Stitchmo

Womens 800m - ONCE AGAIN, they can't get the pacing right even with wavelight?!!

The entire front of that race was run ahead of the first pace light - like why? Pacer with an uneven 56.19, Segodiso must have been 56.7/8 and closes in 61.8? That's a poor quality race.

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:18pm EDT

re: snowflakes

He knows the truth about it no doubt

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:20pm EDT

re: kejelcha appreciator

kejelcha appreciator wrote:
Also, why tf is Trey Hardee commentating the 5000?!

Cause Swangaard only has Ato Bolden there with him

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:20pm EDT

re: False

False wrote:
Because then he loses the last lap, as we just saw.

When it’s a slow race he gets beaten by the likes of Luis and Krop, let alone Jakob. He needs to have a race strategy to separate out the 12:45-50 guys from the sub-12:40 guys. Or sub-7:25 guys from 7:28 guys if you want to allow for a slower first 2K. And maybe he has a better kick than today, or Hagos underperforms like last year.

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:20pm EDT

re: Salvitore Stitchmo

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
kejelcha appreciator wrote:
Can we get some love for kejelcha? All the diamond leagues he is in are SO entertaining because he is so fearless. Imagine crossing 3k at 7:41 and then clicking 60s and 59s. He never has the close to win but honestly I don't care, I don't hold that against him, and I'm still a massive fan. Without him I don't think any of the 12:40 races last year, as well as the DL 3k final, would have happened. Thumbs up if you agree.
I do agree. I'm still struggling to understand how and why he doesn't seem to want to replicate these sorts of efforts in major championship finals?

I am also perplexed by this. My only guess is because Ethiopia selects the 5k team on SB, and it's so competitive they have to basically peak this early to even make the team. Literally they had to leave Telahun Bekele (12:42.70 SB) off the Budapest team, which also makes one question the 3 per country allotment

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:20pm EDT

re: Salvitore Stitchmo

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Womens 800m - ONCE AGAIN, they can't get the pacing right even with wavelight?!!
The entire front of that race was run ahead of the first pace light - like why? Pacer with an uneven 56.19, Segodiso must have been 56.7/8 and closes in 61.8? That's a poor quality race.

Yes, 800m women are and always have been terrible at pacing for whatever reason.

The pacer was hot though

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:21pm EDT

re: False

False wrote:
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
I do agree. I'm still struggling to understand how and why he doesn't seem to want to replicate these sorts of efforts in major championship finals?
Because then he loses the last lap, as we just saw.

Because he never ever drives the pace like this and keeps believing he has this magical non-existent kick that can beat someone like J.I

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:22pm EDT

re: 5000_history_

5000_history_ wrote:
5000_history wrote:
recent races that are as fast as the pacing target of 12:41
Yomif Kejelcha, Jacob Kiplimo (2023 Oslo DL)- 12:41.73 (2:34.8, 2:36.1, 2:36.3, 2:30.3, 2:24.2):
time @ 1k: 2:34.8, 2k: 5:10.9, 3k: 7:47.2, 4k: 10:17.5, 5k: 12:41.73
Joshua Cheptegei (2023 Lausanne DL)- 12:41.61 (2:35.7, 2:34.8, 2:36.6, 2:31.9, 2:27.1):
time @ 1k: 2:35.7, 2k: 5:10.5, 3k: 7:42.5, 4k: 10:14.2, 5k: 12:41.61
Berihu Aregawi (2023 Lausanne DL)- 12:40.45 (2:35.0, 2:34.8, 2:31.7, 2:32.2, 2:26.7):
time @ 1k: 2:35.0, 2k: 5:09.8, 3k: 7:41.5, 4k: 10:13.7 5k: 12:40.45
==================================================================
sub-12:40 club:
Daniel Komen (1997)- 12:39.74 (2:32.7, 2:32.7, 2:31.9, 2:31.21, 2:31.2):
time @ 1k: 2:32.7, 2k: 5:05.4, 3k: 7:37.3, 4k: 10:08.51, 5k: 12:39.74
Haile Gebrselassie (1998)- 12:39.36 (2:34.8, 2:31.6, 2:32.9, 2:32.8, 2:27.3):
time @ 1k: 2:34.8, 2k: 5:06.4, 3k: 7:39.3, 4k: 10:12.1, 5k: 12:39.39
Kenenisa Bekele (2004)- 12:37.35 (2:33.24, 2:32.23, 2:31.87, 2:30.59, 2:29.42):
time @ 1k: 2:33.24, 2k: 5:05.47, 3k: 7:37.34, 4k: 10:07.93, 5k: 12:37.35
Joshua Cheptegei (2021)- 12:35.36 (2:32.3, 2:31.8, 2:31.1, 2:30.3, 2:29.9):
time @ 1k: 2:32.2, 2k: 5:04.1, 3k: 7:35.2, 4k: 10:05.5, 5k: 12:35.36
If the pacing target is 12:41 (maybe to beat the meeting record), then an even pace comes through in 7:36.6(2:32.2 per km). Still this, would likely be the second fastest start to a 5000m ever, and would allow the world record to still be threatened with a fast close.
Do you think that the race will actually go out in ~ 7:37? I could see 12:40 still being broken with a start as slow as 7:43. Still, 7:40 requires a 2k finish sub 5 which is just as dreadfully difficult.
How many break 12:40?
I don’t know that I see anyone besides Kejelcha running this.
12:50?
I think that there could be a few. Would love to see Adrian Wildschut and Grijalva in that type of form.
Yomif Kejelcha (2024)- 12:38.95 (2:33.13, 2:33.92, 2:34.00, 2:30.81, 2:27.09)
Hagos Gebrhiwet (2024)-12.36.73 (2:33.13, 2:33.92, 2:34.00, 2:30.81, 2:25.13)
time @1k: 2:33.13, time @2k: 5:07.05, time @3k: 7:41.05, time @4k 10:11.86
Hagos came up behind Kejelcha around 3k, but the whole pack was within a second of Kejelcha until then, he stayed behind him until the last lap where he blitzed a 54.99 to Kejelcha’s 57.21.

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:24pm EDT

re: kmaclam

kmaclam wrote:
Christian Miller USA High Schooler still has 100 Meter world lead.

Simbine has the WL of 9.90 run at the Atlanta City games.

Speaking of Miller, he is set to run the 200 this weekend.

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:25pm EDT

re: smokeshow alert

smokeshow alert wrote:
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Womens 800m - ONCE AGAIN, they can't get the pacing right even with wavelight?!!
The entire front of that race was run ahead of the first pace light - like why? Pacer with an uneven 56.19, Segodiso must have been 56.7/8 and closes in 61.8? That's a poor quality race.
Yes, 800m women are and always have been terrible at pacing for whatever reason.
The pacer was hot though

I know - in the past you can understand it. But how is nobody going to these girls before the race and explaining what they need to do.

"So we need you right in the middle of the blue lights. Your goal is by the time you hit the 200m point - run preferably in a straight line from whatever lane you break from, you want to be nicely in the middle of these okay?"

Except we see them sprinting their behinds off in the first 250 and starting to rig up the home straight which brings them back on pace after they messed it up for anyone that stupidly goes with them.

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:26pm EDT

re: john track and field

john track and field wrote:
kmaclam wrote:
Christian Miller USA High Schooler still has 100 Meter world lead.
Simbine has the WL of 9.90 run at the Atlanta City games.
Speaking of Miller, he is set to run the 200 this weekend.

I think that track was 'bogus' in some respect and not 'eligible'. No??

This post was edited 1 minute after it was posted.

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:26pm EDT

re: kiltedrunner

What spikes was Gebrhiwet wearing?

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:27pm EDT

re: kejelcha appreciator

kejelcha appreciator wrote:
Can we get some love for kejelcha? All the diamond leagues he is in are SO entertaining because he is so fearless. Imagine crossing 3k at 7:41 and then clicking 60s and 59s. He never has the close to win but honestly I don't care, I don't hold that against him, and I'm still a massive fan. Without him I don't think any of the 12:40 races last year, as well as the DL 3k final, would have happened. Thumbs up if you agree.

I like Kejelcha. But I’m not sure you can give him credit for the 12:40 and 12:42 races he wasn’t in, or the DL final 3k that Jakob led the whole race.

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:30pm EDT

re: Salvitore Stitchmo

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
I know - in the past you can understand it. But how is nobody going to these girls before the race and explaining what they need to do.
"So we need you right in the middle of the blue lights. Your goal is by the time you hit the 200m point - run preferably in a straight line from whatever lane you break from, you want to be nicely in the middle of these okay?"
Except we see them sprinting their behinds off in the first 250 and starting to rig up the home straight which brings them back on pace after they messed it up for anyone that stupidly goes with them.

Wondering what Sekgodiso’s last 200 was, over 32 possibly? Wild stuff.

2 years ago 05/30/2024 3:30pm EDT

re: John Wesley Harding

Point taken. I'll push back slightly in that because his SB was so good that other Ethiopians needed to run fast, and jakob would have been happy to run slower without him (.01 separation if I recall correctly) -- did he have the 3:43 mile in his legs or was that the other way around?

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