Your question makes no sense. It’s not possible to like a post more than once.
It may be difficult to believe, but not everyone thinks the way you do. Whereas many people here embrace a rabid mob mentality when it comes to Shelby, there are some of us who are independent thinkers and who uphold principles like fairness and consistency of punishments.
Letshelbycompete, you cannot beat armstrong. He never dies. He just respawns. Ask rekrunner. Walk away now whilst you still have your youth
How ironic, that you refer to rekrunner, the most enduring doping apologist on these boards. But there are plenty of you who will follow his banner. Like the "Shelby is innocent/let Shelby compete" apologist here.
How desparate, but predictable, to attack me when you feel your strategy of false arrogance failing.
I never "apologize" for any athlete doping with intent to improve performance, against the rules, nor any coach/agent/manager/husband/doctor/pharmacist/etc. doping an athlete with the same intent.
In Shelby's case, it was well within the rules for the WA/AIU to treat her result as an ATF, and target test her for a result with increased certainty. Intellectually, it would be much different if the WA/AIU had built a case for intentional doping "based on specific and concrete elements" to an intellectual standard stronger than a presumption of intentional doping with an exogenous banned substance.
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Despite performance numbers that rival exotic sports cars, the Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 is easy to live with, making it equal parts pony car and thrill ride.
Yet another failure on your part. I didn’t argue her ban should be reduced. I proposed she finish her suspension next year.
Your proposal was to let her compete this year, a year before her ban has concluded. That is reducing the effect of her ban. An athlete doesn't get exceptions made for them, which is what you are arguing for in her case. Hence your username, "Let Shelby compete" - and compete before her ban is up. If you weren't arguing for a reduction in her ban then you have no "proposal" to make. Making her catch up the last year of the ban after the Olympics reduces the effect of the ban, which is served continuously. It won't happen. It is a misplaced proposal on two counts - she isn't innocent and there is no quota on how many Olympic competitions an athlete may miss as a result of a ban. The overwhelming vote on this board is against what you suggest. For obvious reasons.
How ironic, that you refer to rekrunner, the most enduring doping apologist on these boards. But there are plenty of you who will follow his banner. Like the "Shelby is innocent/let Shelby compete" apologist here.
How desparate, but predictable, to attack me when you feel your strategy of false arrogance failing.
I never "apologize" for any athlete doping with intent to improve performance, against the rules, nor any coach/agent/manager/husband/doctor/pharmacist/etc. doping an athlete with the same intent.
In Shelby's case, it was well within the rules for the WA/AIU to treat her result as an ATF, and target test her for a result with increased certainty. Intellectually, it would be much different if the WA/AIU had built a case for intentional doping "based on specific and concrete elements" to an intellectual standard stronger than a presumption of intentional doping with an exogenous banned substance.
You continue to show that you are a doping apologist. You can't help yourself.
How desparate, but predictable, to attack me when you feel your strategy of false arrogance failing.
I never "apologize" for any athlete doping with intent to improve performance, against the rules, nor any coach/agent/manager/husband/doctor/pharmacist/etc. doping an athlete with the same intent.
In Shelby's case, it was well within the rules for the WA/AIU to treat her result as an ATF, and target test her for a result with increased certainty. Intellectually, it would be much different if the WA/AIU had built a case for intentional doping "based on specific and concrete elements" to an intellectual standard stronger than a presumption of intentional doping with an exogenous banned substance.
You continue to show that you are a doping apologist. You can't help yourself.
You obviously can't read or are flat out lying. his second sentence clearly shows his stance.
The overwhelming vote on this board is against what you suggest. For obvious reasons.
The overwhelming vote on this board is against all your behavior. For obvious reasons.
Although not true it wouldn't bother me if it was. I'm not making a proposal that I wish others to endorse, as the OP is. P*ssing people off like you I consider a bonus.
You continue to show that you are a doping apologist. You can't help yourself.
I guess I lost you at "intellectually":
Intellectually, it would be much different if the WA/AIU had built a case for intentional doping "based on specific and concrete elements" to a standard stronger than presumption.
You continue to show that you are a doping apologist. You can't help yourself.
I guess I lost you at "intellectually":
Intellectually, it would be much different if the WA/AIU had built a case for intentional doping "based on specific and concrete elements" to a standard stronger than presumption.
It did. A presumption didn't determine her guilt. Her failure to rebut it, for the lack of evidence, did. But you can't intellectually follow the inferences that follow from the evidence before the Court - as well as the lack of evidence by the defence. You are also intellectually incapable of understanding that after a positive test the onus necessarily moved to the defendant to show legitimate cause or lack of fault for the banned substance in her system - she couldn't - and not for WA to prove how it got there and where it might have come from. WA, CAS and the sport understand how it works but you can't. That would mean your accepting CAS came to the right conclusion - impossible for a doping denier.
It did. A presumption didn't determine her guilt. Her failure to rebut it, for the lack of evidence, did. But you can't intellectually follow the inferences that follow from the evidence before the Court - as well as the lack of evidence by the defence. You are also intellectually incapable of understanding that after a positive test the onus necessarily moved to the defendant to show legitimate cause or lack of fault for the banned substance in her system - she couldn't - and not for WA to prove how it got there and where it might have come from. WA, CAS and the sport understand how it works but you can't. That would mean your accepting CAS came to the right conclusion - impossible for a doping denier.
If "it did", then it should be a simple matter for you, or anyone, to point to the relevant paragraphs in the CAS decision where the WA/AIU built a case for intentional doping "based on specific and concrete elements" to a standard stronger than presumption.
Until then, none of your tossed lawyer buzzword salad makes any sense.
Yet another failure on your part. I didn’t argue her ban should be reduced. I proposed she finish her suspension next year.
Your proposal was to let her compete this year, a year before her ban has concluded. That is reducing the effect of her ban. An athlete doesn't get exceptions made for them, which is what you are arguing for in her case. Hence your username, "Let Shelby compete" - and compete before her ban is up. If you weren't arguing for a reduction in her ban then you have no "proposal" to make. Making her catch up the last year of the ban after the Olympics reduces the effect of the ban, which is served continuously. It won't happen. It is a misplaced proposal on two counts - she isn't innocent and there is no quota on how many Olympic competitions an athlete may miss as a result of a ban. The overwhelming vote on this board is against what you suggest. For obvious reasons.
Exceptions should be made for exceptional circumstances.
Bans are framed in terms of years. My proposal still has her serving the same number of years.
Is there anyplace in the AIU rulebook that says the 4 years have to be served consecutively? I looked and couldn’t find it.
My proposal wasn’t based on guilt or innocence. Even if she’s guilty, she should receive fair treatment and a punishment that’s consistent with what other guilty people have received.
The intent of the penalty is to miss one Olympic year. Missing two goes against the documented history behind the intent of the rule.
I recognize there is a rabid mob mentality against Shelby. Doesn’t mean the mob is right.
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