You truly believe that they scheduled a 4x400m relay five hours after the meet was over, after other results starting coming in, just for poops and giggles? Just because they felt like it?
Ranked 6th going into the final weekend. Boss man thinks they are a lock and decides to run a workout instead. At the end of the meet the other "last chance results" start flowing in. Things look bad. Coach starts to freak. Looks at the rules, talks to others and feels there's nothing against the rules that would keep them from attempting one more event at their home meet.
Calls the timer, calls opposing coaches, calls the officials, calls the team. Everyone is in. They run the time. Far from normal. Could be immoral. Not sure what rule was broken.
Reading here it looks like the 10 minutes in between events rule was broken. That rule is not well known (Ive coached for almost 20 years and did not know). If it's a rule it's broken quite often....event at various levels of the NCAA conference and national championships.
It's a wild freaking sport. Us coaches caused it. Anyone know what the rules are for what constitutes a legal meet in NCAA 1 and 2? I dare you to look it up. I'm embarrassed to represent the NCAA? 2 teams represented...1 individual from each team with 5 total events. No timer needed.
LJ (2 competitors- team 1 leaves)-HJ-SP-DT-TJ (solo). You are good. Meet counts.
An absolute joke of a sport.
Get rid of last chance meets. Team score meets. This sport is on it's last legs.
Based on the video the time appears legit so the question is whether or not they followed the rules about hosting a meet and whether that was legitimate. Interesting question...
This isn't legit at all. Marks must be made in a real actual competition.
.....calls opposing coaches, calls the officials, calls the team. Everyone is in. They run the time. Far from normal. Could be immoral. Not sure what rule was broken.
You almost had it.
This is that "slip in a lie with some truths" kind of b.s. you are trying to use to support your case.
Everyone wasn't "in". There weren't any other teams there. Those other teams had eaten dinner and were 5 hours down the road on a bus at the time they ran that 4x4. I highly doubt they called those other coaches who were either already home or still on their way.
portland coach did that to us once when I was in that dumb conference. then declared a kid with a stress fracture who didn't race leaving 47 at prelims. stay classy portland.
I just was told about this forum and spent a while reading it. So I want to make sure I have the time facts. The race was at 8:30 pm on the 2nd. The NCAA rules state that violations must be reported through a coaches portal within 72 hours which would be the 5th. This finger pointing started on this website at around 8:00 pm. The team from what I hear was notified on the 5th around 8:30 pm. Do I hear a baby crying in the room🤔.
I didn’t say that. I simply stated that the time of the first post was around the time the NCAA made its ruling. 2 plus 2 equals 4. Evidence points that the coach filing the complaint was probably notified of the results around the same time that the post started.
First post tagged a social posting from much earlier in the day, around 10:20am. It could have been brought to the NCAA's attention anytime after that. Or before then for that matter. I'm the NCAA would want to investigate a little before pulling a team from the national meet.
Ranked 6th going into the final weekend. Boss man thinks they are a lock and decides to run a workout instead. At the end of the meet the other "last chance results" start flowing in. Things look bad. Coach starts to freak. Looks at the rules, talks to others and feels there's nothing against the rules that would keep them from attempting one more event at their home meet.
Calls the timer, calls opposing coaches, calls the officials, calls the team. Everyone is in. They run the time. Far from normal. Could be immoral. Not sure what rule was broken.
Reading here it looks like the 10 minutes in between events rule was broken. That rule is not well known (Ive coached for almost 20 years and did not know). If it's a rule it's broken quite often....event at various levels of the NCAA conference and national championships.
It's a wild freaking sport. Us coaches caused it. Anyone know what the rules are for what constitutes a legal meet in NCAA 1 and 2? I dare you to look it up. I'm embarrassed to represent the NCAA? 2 teams represented...1 individual from each team with 5 total events. No timer needed.
LJ (2 competitors- team 1 leaves)-HJ-SP-DT-TJ (solo). You are good. Meet counts.
An absolute joke of a sport.
Get rid of last chance meets. Team score meets. This sport is on it's last legs.
If the rule is 10 minutes (Rule 6 Section 2a) then NCAA is violating their own rule. Check out the start times on the schedule for this weekend where there is 15 and 25 minutes in some cases between meets. If its a rule why isn't it in effect for this meet as well. Shouldn't all meets be held to the same standard?
Ranked 6th going into the final weekend. Boss man thinks they are a lock and decides to run a workout instead. At the end of the meet the other "last chance results" start flowing in. Things look bad. Coach starts to freak. Looks at the rules, talks to others and feels there's nothing against the rules that would keep them from attempting one more event at their home meet.
Calls the timer, calls opposing coaches, calls the officials, calls the team. Everyone is in. They run the time. Far from normal. Could be immoral. Not sure what rule was broken.
Reading here it looks like the 10 minutes in between events rule was broken. That rule is not well known (Ive coached for almost 20 years and did not know). If it's a rule it's broken quite often....event at various levels of the NCAA conference and national championships.
It's a wild freaking sport. Us coaches caused it. Anyone know what the rules are for what constitutes a legal meet in NCAA 1 and 2? I dare you to look it up. I'm embarrassed to represent the NCAA? 2 teams represented...1 individual from each team with 5 total events. No timer needed.
LJ (2 competitors- team 1 leaves)-HJ-SP-DT-TJ (solo). You are good. Meet counts.
An absolute joke of a sport.
Get rid of last chance meets. Team score meets. This sport is on it's last legs.
If the rule is 10 minutes (Rule 6 Section 2a) then NCAA is violating their own rule. Check out the start times on the schedule for this weekend where there is 15 and 25 minutes in some cases between meets. If its a rule why isn't it in effect for this meet as well. Shouldn't all meets be held to the same standard?
You should contact them and try to get the meet cancelled 😂
Ranked 6th going into the final weekend. Boss man thinks they are a lock and decides to run a workout instead. At the end of the meet the other "last chance results" start flowing in. Things look bad. Coach starts to freak. Looks at the rules, talks to others and feels there's nothing against the rules that would keep them from attempting one more event at their home meet.
Calls the timer, calls opposing coaches, calls the officials, calls the team. Everyone is in. They run the time. Far from normal. Could be immoral. Not sure what rule was broken.
Reading here it looks like the 10 minutes in between events rule was broken. That rule is not well known (Ive coached for almost 20 years and did not know). If it's a rule it's broken quite often....event at various levels of the NCAA conference and national championships.
It's a wild freaking sport. Us coaches caused it. Anyone know what the rules are for what constitutes a legal meet in NCAA 1 and 2? I dare you to look it up. I'm embarrassed to represent the NCAA? 2 teams represented...1 individual from each team with 5 total events. No timer needed.
LJ (2 competitors- team 1 leaves)-HJ-SP-DT-TJ (solo). You are good. Meet counts.
An absolute joke of a sport.
Get rid of last chance meets. Team score meets. This sport is on it's last legs.
If the rule is 10 minutes (Rule 6 Section 2a) then NCAA is violating their own rule. Check out the start times on the schedule for this weekend where there is 15 and 25 minutes in some cases between meets. If its a rule why isn't it in effect for this meet as well. Shouldn't all meets be held to the same standard?
With the exception of the multis, you don't have more than 10 minutes from the end of one event to the start of the next. You certainly aren't going to get 5 hours in between them.
article 23, mentioned by the poster, says no more than 10 minutes between events. it sounds like that's what they got them for. struck me as the flip side of you can't do it 5 hours later, i mean, rule says technically it can even be scheduled 11 minutes later.
it is true you can delay but there's a reason for it. snow storm outside but if you wait the plows can run. lightning, squall line, technical issues. i'd like a rest and a meal before they run again in the relay, and a peek at the competition's times that afternoon, not really a reason.
i'd think that sort of motivation is exactly why the rules say the trains run on time and not that far apart. other half being if you're gonna DNS some kid for being a couple minutes late to check in for his heat then you can't be running late or 5 hours later on your own accord.
Ranked 6th going into the final weekend. Boss man thinks they are a lock and decides to run a workout instead. At the end of the meet the other "last chance results" start flowing in. Things look bad. Coach starts to freak. Looks at the rules, talks to others and feels there's nothing against the rules that would keep them from attempting one more event at their home meet.
Calls the timer, calls opposing coaches, calls the officials, calls the team. Everyone is in. They run the time. Far from normal. Could be immoral. Not sure what rule was broken.
Reading here it looks like the 10 minutes in between events rule was broken. That rule is not well known (Ive coached for almost 20 years and did not know). If it's a rule it's broken quite often....event at various levels of the NCAA conference and national championships.
It's a wild freaking sport. Us coaches caused it. Anyone know what the rules are for what constitutes a legal meet in NCAA 1 and 2? I dare you to look it up. I'm embarrassed to represent the NCAA? 2 teams represented...1 individual from each team with 5 total events. No timer needed.
LJ (2 competitors- team 1 leaves)-HJ-SP-DT-TJ (solo). You are good. Meet counts.
An absolute joke of a sport.
Get rid of last chance meets. Team score meets. This sport is on it's last legs.
If the rule is 10 minutes (Rule 6 Section 2a) then NCAA is violating their own rule. Check out the start times on the schedule for this weekend where there is 15 and 25 minutes in some cases between meets. If its a rule why isn't it in effect for this meet as well. Shouldn't all meets be held to the same standard?
you're forgetting the running of the races. if we're running heats technically it's not "between events." mind you, nationals should only be so many heats, and some straight to finals, and there, maybe you have a point.
.....calls opposing coaches, calls the officials, calls the team. Everyone is in. They run the time. Far from normal. Could be immoral. Not sure what rule was broken.
You almost had it.
This is that "slip in a lie with some truths" kind of b.s. you are trying to use to support your case.
Everyone wasn't "in". There weren't any other teams there. Those other teams had eaten dinner and were 5 hours down the road on a bus at the time they ran that 4x4. I highly doubt they called those other coaches who were either already home or still on their way.
the telling bits to me are like 20-30 teams were there with at least "a runner" and it's a solo time trial, it's 5 hours late, and it doesn't show up on the milesplit they used to run the meet.
now, to be fair, even if a decent amount of teams attend this kind of meet, they are usually lean with just who they want there, and maybe no one else wanted 4x4. either one team entered, or everyone scratched. milesplit has the results but not the heat sheets where you can tell -- though strictly speaking if anyone else entered then backed out, they should still be on results as SCR/DNS or something, not absent.
scenarios i see are either the whole event got arrogantly scratched at 330 and then coach looks at results and goes "crap" and calls everyone and sets up a race, which they say was part of the meet; or coach is already saying "crap" at 330 based on scoreboard watching, and, being told no one wants to race, says, ok, it's our meet, let's leave this meet open, go have a bite to eat, see how the times play out, and if we need to run, we go at 830. thing being, looks like to me most of the texas and west coast teams were running outdoors and not next chance. so he screwed himself with the 5 hour thing.
article 23, mentioned by the poster, says no more than 10 minutes between events. it sounds like that's what they got them for. struck me as the flip side of you can't do it 5 hours later, i mean, rule says technically it can even be scheduled 11 minutes later.
it is true you can delay but there's a reason for it. snow storm outside but if you wait the plows can run. lightning, squall line, technical issues. i'd like a rest and a meal before they run again in the relay, and a peek at the competition's times that afternoon, not really a reason.
i'd think that sort of motivation is exactly why the rules say the trains run on time and not that far apart. other half being if you're gonna DNS some kid for being a couple minutes late to check in for his heat then you can't be running late or 5 hours later on your own accord.
Why do times from Boston University's Valentine Invite count then? They took a 30 min intermission after the 4x4 and before the 1 mile of the men's meet (and a 20 min intermission for the women).
They also violate the order of events from the NCAA rule manual. It's unfair if those times are eligible for qualification and Mount Union is ineligible.
Conference meets last several days. Events may stop one day and not begin until 15 hours later the next day. There are 30 minute lunch breaks in meets.
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