Runner’s World Editor’s Races Under Scrutiny

Such a bizarre opinion. If a person chooses to PUBLICLY seek boast, its is perfectly acceptable, if not required, to publicly refute them. Unless there is an intent to ridicule, it is not "shaming." But, alas, when you cant win the argument on the merit (the person's claim is refuted), you change the definition of words (the person was shamed).

I’ve done many more races than I can remember and only ever missed 1 mat (everyone in the race did cause it wasn’t working).
Why does it seem to happen repeatedly to some people? Guess I’m just lucky.

So what does your public refutation look like Sir Lee?

She will lose her job. She will shut down her profile. She will probably be shunned from her club. What else? Should she be allowed to enter any more events? What about Parkrun? Probably best to shun her from that too. Perhaps you could wait for her at the entrance to Marks and Spencer and throw vegetables at her when she emerges with her shopping.

As a Knight of the Realm, it is your job to mete out righteous and honourable justice. I would hate for bizarre concepts such as forgiveness and privacy to stay your hand.

Just from a forensic angle, it is strange that the statement - if it is a fully honest accurate one - took 6 days to be provided as surely it would have been available to be put out there within a few hours of the thing coming to light. And as a highly media savvy person that would surely have been the least worst option? And it still doesn't rationally tally with numerous other details of the two scenarios that have been detailed above. So clearly a number of people in the sport are concluding that the statement is in fact not a correct disclosure of what has occurred.

The 3.18 run which was shown as 'her' London marathon in 2023 even if clearly acknowledged all round as not within the official event on the day, was an undeniably highly outlieing run compared to all the other 2023 results.

Fully agree. Her statement looks to be complete piffle. She’s likely a self promoting phoney, who has got caught up in some weirdly unnecessary fraud to post pointlessly false times.

People are, indeed, idiots.

I’m just personally uncomfortable with how completely a person’s life can be eviscerated. And where exactly does the evisceration end?

I’m not claiming to be correct. And the more she wriggles, the easier it is to feel she deserves what she gets.

People wetting themselves on a course is fairly normal, as is leaving the course to go to the toilet etc. For a person doing their first ever race to enter the course at a completely different point afterwards would be ridiculous, never mind an experienced and decent level runner!! What a load of rubbish. Straight out of the cheater’s playbook her response.

She ran a 5000 track race in 2023, split as follows:

4:00, 4:13, 4:25, 4:27, 4:21

Ouch. I've split races that badly before, and it sucks so badly. It means you're sick or unfit.

There's a 10k with the same decline, split into two Strava entries because she stopped for a little bit at half way. Starts off at 4:00 pace and then declines into the 4:40s+. Again, I've been there in terms of the decline. In once race, I was sick. In the other, I was just unfit and arrogant enough to start way too fast.

There's a 74min 10 mile race in October that's better than the 5k and 10k, but still not 3:18 M standard.

In the Landmarks Half, she was en route to a 1:43.

If the 3:18 is real, you are very right that it's completely different to her other performances from the entire year, and very suspiciously, we have zero proof that it happened.

She does do fast sessions on the treadmill, but, well, there's no real evidence for self-reported treadmill runs either. A photo of the screen just says that the belt went around for however long you had the machine on for. Older ones don't shut off if there's no one running on them.

Ahhh, you moved the goalpost. More importantly, you KNOW you moved the goalpost.

Still, you can't point to her being shamed - ridiculed - for her actions.

Oh, and you put up the old Strawman Argument. And you KNOW that, too. Who said she shouldn't be allowed to enter more races? Who said she should be shunned from Parkrun? Who said vegetables should be thrown at her? I will emphatically call you a hypocritical moron (Shaming you? Perhaps. The truth? Definitely.) for appointing me "the Knight of the Realm with the duties to mete out justice.

Choices have consequences. She made choices. Doubled down on those choices. Now she has to deal with the consequences. But according to your twisted logic, if the consequences are unpleasant, all should be forgotten.

She's literally racing most weekends in Australia under her own name, she is laughing at 'the ban'.

So some people have known about this for the best part of a year.

That's gold

Sir Lee,

It is not a strawman argument. Reputational destruction is rather like a large boulder rolling down a hill. You might like to think that it can be easily stopped, but it tends to pick up speed and flatten everything in its path.

You are certainly correct that choices have consequences. She will feel the full force of those consequences.

But the leak is a choice too. And it has direct consequences. If you are unable to control the extent of those consequences, then you should perhaps pause for thought to consider if you are taking a sledgehammer to a nail.

I did. I even asked her about it in a Strava comment. No reply, of course.

Those of us who saw it at the time took screenshots. I like this one. "Mad GPS - there were absolutely NO 6-something miles in that run!" https://i.imgur.com/xgYzW2Q.png

Draw the course and double-down on it being real by pretending your watch had GPS issues.

Yeah I didn't want to be graphic but I meant the implausible part is leaving the course. I'm a female runner and talking to other women, we've all had it happen.

All of you losers...especially Derek who keeps posting here under assumed names...need serious examinations of your lives. Why are you so obessed with hobby joggers who do this...yet 90% of you guys take T and other PEDS.

How does a woman urinate on a wall?

Anyway, I've cut the course at plenty of races. We've all done it.

You are going to have to speak for yourself on that one. I have never cut a course and I don't understand why a competitive person would other than to cheat.

London Landmarks doesn't show up on PO10 - it's not even a proper race, just a way to get hobby joggers to do a run on closed roads. Being accused of cheating there is like being accused of cheating on a club time trial - and cheating your way to a time that's minutes slower than your official pb. I don't get why you'd do it in the first place, but I don't get the outrage either.

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Runner's World Editor Responds: "I am Not a Cheat" - MarathonInvestigation

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In a statement to the Telegraph, Carter admits to manually creating her Strava route for London Marathon and to possibly cutting a portion of Half Marathon

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"Kate did send an email to Marathon Investigation immediately following publication of the article. In the email she maintained that the article I published was “defamatory and ethically irresponsible”.

Additionally, she stated that she did not see where I attempted to contact her. I replied to her immediately asking what specifically was inaccurate and showing evidence that I did attempt to reach out as was previously stated.