Swimmers can become great runners. Alan Webb was one. The inverse is not exactly true. There’s too much technique in swimming, and most of the elites were under high aerobic training in elementary
There are FEW late additions in swimming that succeed. It’s very rare, and most of them just have the perfect body. And those late successes are more like NCAA A final at most, not Olympic level
So the only example of swimming translating to running success anyone can give is Webb. The exception therefore proves the rule. He would have been a great runner without having been a swimmer and swimming doesn't automatically transfer to running success or we would see many more examples than Webb.
Would Ollie Hoare have become an NCAA D1 AA without the massive aerobic base generated through years of competitive youth swimming? Hard to say, but Hoare probably has some keen thoughts on the subject.
So the only example of swimming translating to running success anyone can give is Webb. The exception therefore proves the rule. He would have been a great runner without having been a swimmer and swimming doesn't automatically transfer to running success or we would see many more examples than Webb.
Would Ollie Hoare have become an NCAA D1 AA without the massive aerobic base generated through years of competitive youth swimming? Hard to say, but Hoare probably has some keen thoughts on the subject.
I could suggest that if he had the talent he would have been just as good without swimming training. If that were not so we would see most of the best runners had trained at swimming. They don't.
Would Ollie Hoare have become an NCAA D1 AA without the massive aerobic base generated through years of competitive youth swimming? Hard to say, but Hoare probably has some keen thoughts on the subject.
I could suggest that if he had the talent he would have been just as good without swimming training. If that were not so we would see most of the best runners had trained at swimming. They don't.
Yes, you could suggest that, because you know nothing about physiology and/or elite athletes' training.
I just now heard a whooshhh... right over my head.
Did anyone else hear it besides me?
Most arguments are over your head.
Yes, all of them are way over my head, but that doesn't stop me from asking the same stupid questions, over and over ad nauseam, and repeatedly coming to the same false conclusions.
I could suggest that if he had the talent he would have been just as good without swimming training. If that were not so we would see most of the best runners had trained at swimming. They don't.
Yes, you could suggest that, because you know nothing about physiology and/or elite athletes' training.
So why don't most top runners use swimming training if it makes them a better runner?
Yes, all of them are way over my head, but that doesn't stop me from asking the same stupid questions, over and over ad nauseam, and repeatedly coming to the same false conclusions.
Its apparent that you and so many others here can't bear to have the training methods of a particular athlete questioned. You all take it so personally.
The advocates here for saying cross training is just as good for a distance runner as running miles are building their case essentially on one runner - Valby. Most top distance runners don't follow her approach. The reason is obvious.
It is obvious. They don't have the injury problems requiring them to find an alternative. She needed to and did...apparently.
It doesn't work better for mot runners. I assume that you know Valby will make large improvements as she incorporates more running. Your girl Tuohy has no room to improve.
You don't need to keep asking the same question. Cross training is far better than doing nothing but it is not as good as running. So you are correct in that Valby has tremendous upside due to this. She will make huge jumps with each mile added due to the percentage increase. 10 miles is a 33% increase as opposed to someone like Tuohy which would make only a 15% increase at 10 miles.
Swimming training for someone that is not a swimmer (doesn't have the technique and build up of yardage) is not going to be very useful. In fact I would venture to say that if a high school runner or college runner just tried to pick up swimming for cross training without having any background in swimming, they would find it very difficult to just complete 500 yards. Swimming works as a cross training method for those that are already efficient swimmers. Not all bodies can handle high mileage. I seemed to get a stress fracture every time I went over 40 miles a week. And as others in this thread or possibly another thread stated, it's selection bias to look at the successful runners with high mileage. Many others that attempted were injured and had careers cut short. I think training has to be approached in a very individual way. There is an art and science to coaching and what Valby is doing seems to be working for her right now, but it might not work in a year or two from now and they will have to adjust.
The advocates here for saying cross training is just as good for a distance runner as running miles are building their case essentially on one runner - Valby. Most top distance runners don't follow her approach. The reason is obvious.
It is obvious. They don't have the injury problems requiring them to find an alternative. She needed to and did...apparently.
So injury problems are how you become the best.
The reason most top runners don't adopt her method is that running works better than cross training. Except for those dealing with injury.
You don't need to keep asking the same question. Cross training is far better than doing nothing but it is not as good as running. So you are correct in that Valby has tremendous upside due to this. She will make huge jumps with each mile added due to the percentage increase. 10 miles is a 33% increase as opposed to someone like Tuohy which would make only a 15% increase at 10 miles.
There are a number of posters who have persuasively argued she won't make a tremendous jump with a return to full running training.
It doesn't work better for mot runners. I assume that you know Valby will make large improvements as she incorporates more running. Your girl Tuohy has no room to improve.
She's not my girl. But given her age she probably will improve.
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