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I’m no where near banks level but I think the VDOT calculator is flawed. I think it’s a great tool for tempos and interval paces but I think the recovery run paces are crazy. I ran 4:10 in the mile in college, my VDOT recovery pace is between 6:01-6:41 pace. I find that insane. After workouts and after races my legs were trashed. Most of my runs in college were in the high 6:40s to low 7 flat paces. I genuinely don’t think I could train at the exact VDOT recovery paces as a 4:20 guy. The regular runs are just too fast on VDOT. I was shocked when I saw Blanks strava. It’s extremely impressive, I don’t know how he physically does it. I follow a lot of pros and NCAA champs on strava and even they run at 7:30 pace sometimes. He was running 6 flat pace the day before NCAAs. Crazy!
Fans like you kill the sport. Wiley is on of a handful of women in the history of the world to have run 800 and 1500 as fast as she did at her age and you claim that it isn't impressive. Why watch any track then except for the finals at the Olympics?
Addy Wiley has done comparatively nothing when put next to Athing Mu, and if she had to testify on the stand would have to admit to what she was doing at Huntington.
Are you suggesting that AW ran a 23-24 last 200meters when she ran 1:57? That would be amazing.
I agree that AW will need to work on her speed. She'll need to run at least a 52low to get to 1:55. But, I am not sure why that is out of the question.
No, I am not suggesting that. Here's my full quote:
"She also has run the 600 in 1:23.41 which is about 10ish seconds faster than Wiley's 600 best. Wiley could probably go faster than that now but she is not as fast as Hodgkinson."
Perhaps I should have not said that "she could probably go faster" and, instead, stated "she can go faster."
I have no doubt that she can run faster than her best 600 time now, particularly since it was in January of '22 when she ran it. I still believe that Hodgkinson is faster, though. I would really like to see Wiley's 400 best now. If she can be in the 50ish range, I would say that she can be in the in the 1:55 to 1:56 range.
TBH, I'm surprised that Hodgkinson does as well as she does in the 800 with her 400 best of 51.76 which she did last summer in the Euro U23 championships. Hodgkinson is young and I fully expect to see her evolve into an 800/1500 type as she matures.
You say that you should have said, "she could probably go faster" that 1:33 for 600. Yet, she ran 1:57 in the 800. So, you don't know that she actually DID run faster DURING an 800? It's pretty safe to say that she split ~1:27-1:28 (which simply is faster than 1:33), and she absolutely could run faster than that (1:27) in a 600 at that time.
Regardless, the requisite 400 meter time to run a particular 800 meter time is not the same for every runner. For a predominantly fast twitch athlete (like Mu), they would have to run under 50 to be ready for a 1:55. A very slow twitch athlete could run a 1:55 while only being able to run a 53. I don't think that Wiley is that kind of slow twitch athlete, but neither is she coming from the speedy side.
You say that you should have said, "she could probably go faster" that 1:33 for 600. Yet, she ran 1:57 in the 800. So, you don't know that she actually DID run faster DURING an 800? It's pretty safe to say that she split ~1:27-1:28 (which simply is faster than 1:33), and she absolutely could run faster than that (1:27) in a 600 at that time.
Regardless, the requisite 400 meter time to run a particular 800 meter time is not the same for every runner. For a predominantly fast twitch athlete (like Mu), they would have to run under 50 to be ready for a 1:55. A very slow twitch athlete could run a 1:55 while only being able to run a 53. I don't think that Wiley is that kind of slow twitch athlete, but neither is she coming from the speedy side.
Addy Wiley has done comparatively nothing when put next to Athing Mu, and if she had to testify on the stand would have to admit to what she was doing at Huntington.
Runners should focus on reputation as opposed to racing fast? Why would anyone attend NAU? It is the one of the worst schools in D1. Unless going pro, everyone should get out.
Runners should focus on reputation as opposed to racing fast? Why would anyone attend NAU? It is the one of the worst schools in D1. Unless going pro, everyone should get out.
And yet, if you get good grades and are ambitious, you can get a fine job in your field even if it takes a bit longer and your ceiling isn't Stanford/MIT loot. Of the people that I have worked with over the past few decades, the only time I really knew where that person went to school was if I was part of the interview process or they talked about their college sports teams.
The point is this, if you are smart and motivated enough to go to a top-tier university and it isn't going to put you in crippling debt for a less than desirable degree, you of course should do that.
If you merely want a college degree before entering the workforce or heading to graduate school and aren't top-tier university material, why wouldn't you also consider athletics? I promise you, no one cares if you went to NAU, Idaho St, or Georgia. If you are going this route and ALSO are good enough to run for NAU why in the world would this be a tough decision. I'd rather win a national championship with a degree from NAU than be on an also-ran or never-ran team that happens to be 30 slots up on some list of "good colleges" that no one cares about unless they are the top-tier recognizable names.
Most people aren't going pro. Most people also aren't getting baller jobs out of high school. Go where you will be happy.