Gotta ask: Based on your Username, are you in the camp that the super shoes have little or no benefit over shoes El Guerrouj or Komen wore?
No, I don't think they matter much or it wouldn't just be Jakob breaking old world records. Plus those guys may not have had shoes, but they probably had doping
And, it isn't just Jakob breaking old world records. Technically, he hasn't been breaking WRs this summer, just "World Bests." Faith Kipyegon has been breaking WRs.
And yes, obviously! And I made it quite clear that I think Komen and El Guerrouj were doping. So if Jakob breaks both records AND it's not the shoes, where does that put him? Just an amazing guy who could do anything he puts his mind to (besides WCs gold, that is)?
Ah, I guess you're right re: the 2000m. Weird. Not that you're right, but that it's a WR vs. a WB. Anyway, I'm wrong, you're right.
What do you think all the controversy was about with the shoes? Are you in the camp that the old invention of social media is the primary reason so many kids are running as fast as they are at Mile/2 Mile?
Shoes are passive devices. So if you run in clogs, high heels, or spikes, it doesn't matter?
Are tracks passive devices, too? It doesn't matter what track you run on for a race?
I don't know nearly enough to predict. Guess? Sure.
MILE: 3:44.52 FTW. And why not—Nuguse in 2nd in an AR of 3:46.1.
3K: I really don't know at this point. The weather is not promising for a double of this nature. How hot will it be during the 3K? How long will the pacers take him? Will he even line up? How hard will he run the day before (less than 24 hours earlier)? I don't think his 3K competition looks up to the task of competing against him.
Yes, I saw the 2K and, believe it or not, was excited to watch it and see him set the new mark! I mentioned that so far his outdoor records (2M, 2K) are "world bests." Seldom-run events. That aspect shouldn't take away that they're the fastest of all time (not necessarily the best of all time, but that's always a fun discussion). He's the fastest ever at those distances.
It was hot in Paris. Hot in Oslo. Hot in Silesia. Very hot in Budapest. Hot last week in Bruxelles. Heat's not going to limit his performance.
He is running both. If he does not get sick :) Though I very much doubt that he will run 3:43, more likely 3:44 high. On sunday a WR should be within his reach.
So he runs 3.44 high on Saturday he becomes the 4th fastest human ever - over a second faster than what Cram, Komen, Aouita could ever do. And there is this notion that he comes back less than 24 hours later and beats a record that yes we strongly believe is within his reach but is still going to be an incredibly tough record to get.
I think looking at the potential conditions it would be incredible if he ran under 7.22 in the 3000m - and that's if he scratched from the mile. I get we are all excited about all these records being smashed but the kid is only human. If he ran 3.44 and broke 7.20.67 in two consecutive days it's the greatest athletic feat the entire sport will have ever seen by some margin.
+1
I can´t imagine that he will try to break more WRs this season., and especially not in Eugene.
But he said to Norwegian media after the 2000m in Brüssel that he is going after the 1500m WR (and perhaps the mile) next.
He also stated that he will focus on the 1500m as long as he feels he can improve in this distance. I firmly believe he will go after the WR next year barring illness and injury.
Finally: He stated explicitly he would go after the 2 miles WB well before Paris. And the same regarding the 2000m WR attempt in Brüssel.
He has stated nothing about the mile and the 3000m in Eugene.
If the conditions are good I think he can go sub 3:45 in the mile and sub 7:25 in the 3000m provided Aregawi and Co. are going fast (then Jakob has to hang in).
I can´t imagine that he will try to break more WRs this season., and especially not in Eugene.
But he said to Norwegian media after the 2000m in Brüssel that he is going after the 1500m WR (and perhaps the mile) next.
He also stated that he will focus on the 1500m as long as he feels he can improve in this distance. I firmly believe he will go after the WR next year barring illness and injury.
Finally: He stated explicitly he would go after the 2 miles WB well before Paris. And the same regarding the 2000m WR attempt in Brüssel.
He has stated nothing about the mile and the 3000m in Eugene.
If the conditions are good I think he can go sub 3:45 in the mile and sub 7:25 in the 3000m provided Aregawi and Co. are going fast (then Jakob has to hang in).
Why would he wait though? he’s in shape now to do it and might never have the chance again. What does he have to lose by going for it? And I think you have your order wrong about who will have to hang in with who - aregawi and co will be lucky if they are within 3s of Jakob by the end.
I don't know nearly enough to predict. Guess? Sure.
MILE: 3:44.52 FTW. And why not—Nuguse in 2nd in an AR of 3:46.1.
3K: I really don't know at this point. The weather is not promising for a double of this nature. How hot will it be during the 3K? How long will the pacers take him? Will he even line up? How hard will he run the day before (less than 24 hours earlier)? I don't think his 3K competition looks up to the task of competing against him.
Yes, I saw the 2K and, believe it or not, was excited to watch it and see him set the new mark! I mentioned that so far his outdoor records (2M, 2K) are "world bests." Seldom-run events. That aspect shouldn't take away that they're the fastest of all time (not necessarily the best of all time, but that's always a fun discussion). He's the fastest ever at those distances.
It was hot in Paris. Hot in Oslo. Hot in Silesia. Very hot in Budapest. Hot last week in Bruxelles. Heat's not going to limit his performance.
So now Jakob is impermeable to heat. SMH.
If you've read what I've written, it's the idolatry and the lengths you'll go to outdo each other that gets me.
Let's look at your statement: Heat didn't limit his performance in any of those places. So, he wouldn't have run faster with cooler conditions?
The weather forecast has improved for Sunday. Low 80s. It will be high 80s on Saturday for the mile.
Fortunately the meet was not Thursday and today, which is forecast for 92.
Where do people get their forecasts I wonder?
It will be 83 degrees at race time (1:50) Saturday with 40% humidity. That will not be an impediment at all to the racers in a an under 4-minute long race. What might be an impediment is that they only have 1 pacer listed (Sowinski). He can probably go ~900 meters tops, and 700 meters is a long way to drive home a fast pace. It is frustrating they could not just bring over Tuwei to take this to 1100+ meters and make a 3:44 more likely. As it stands 3:46-7 feels more likely what we'll see with a 54 last lap.
The conditions are perfect at race time Sunday for a 3K with 76 degrees temperature and 44% humidity.
If you've read what I've written, it's the idolatry and the lengths you'll go to outdo each other that gets me.
Let's look at your statement: Heat didn't limit his performance in any of those places. So, he wouldn't have run faster with cooler conditions?
False dichotomy. Just because Jakob's performance wasn't limited by heat doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't have run faster in cooler conditions. It's entirely possible for Jakob to perform well in hot conditions but still have the potential to perform even better in cooler conditions. Reread at your sixth grade level. I didn't claim that Jakob is "impermeable" to heat, but rather that heat didn't limit his performance in the mentioned places.
What do you think all the controversy was about with the shoes? Are you in the camp that the old invention of social media is the primary reason so many kids are running as fast as they are at Mile/2 Mile?
I think it's multiple things.
-Most important, imo, is the social media effect, which has led to a training revolution through easily available training info.
-The 'AAU' style of switching schools to have better training partners and coaches.
-COVID leading to lots embarking upon 'the miles of trails' + gaining years of eligibility.
-Jakob's rise (yes, seriously); Gjert's (or Marius', to be more accurate) double- thresholds have led to a healthier, more sustainable style of training in the US.
-Finally, super shoes, which allow for higher volume while lowering risk of injury.
To shout 'THE SHOES AND LIGHTS MAKE YOU FASTER' as so many do, is not necessarily wrong, but it's also discounting so many other interesting factors. It's the equivalent of people bringing up 'privilege' in an economic discussion; certainly true, but just one of dozens of equally important factors.
Looking forward to seeing what Jakob does this weekend. In his 2K WR he split around 3:48 for the mile. That's incredible. I'm hoping for a very fast mile and a quick 3K win. I don't know how Jakob consistently achieves such great times. He is a great champion.
If the 1500 is marked and they having a timing device there, if Jakob sets the 1500 WR en route to racing a mile would the 1500 be able to be ratified as a WR?
I wasn't specific, but I was mainly talking about HS kids. I repeatedly hear that it's not the shoes but that it is the social media.
Yes, social media has played a role. However, social media had been around for years without the huge jump we've seen in the last few years.
COVID played a role, but I've read plenty of people say a negative one in the high school ranks with smaller team sizes, etc. I'd say it's a mixed bag.
I'm not arguing that it's all about the shoes. I was disputing the idea that the shoes play no role which is silly.
If the 1500 is marked and they having a timing device there, if Jakob sets the 1500 WR en route to racing a mile would the 1500 be able to be ratified as a WR?
Did only find the european record rules which would allow it but there is no chance this happens as he is not in that shape, and is doing someting wrong if he is running the 1500 in WR time.
If the 1500 is marked and they having a timing device there, if Jakob sets the 1500 WR en route to racing a mile would the 1500 be able to be ratified as a WR?
if he went sub 3:26 en route to the mile, then the full time would be so superior to the official 1500 wr it wouldn't really matter if the en route time was ratified or not. It be would be near 3:40 for the full mile lol sub 55 pace