Men Are Lost

I deal in reality. Link me some posts where what you are proposing is occurring and I’ll weigh in on them.

That is saying that pushing a group down by saying they are soft is somehow better than pushing an individual down by calling them soft. Not consistent.

That's weird. I scanned both the posts that yours is in response to and neither one says anything about being a Christian.

No, the purpose is really different. I did not say that to try to look smarter or stronger. It was an analysis with empathy towards those boys that will have to struggle more on their path to maness.

ha ha ha the "list is racist" ; a wise man once said "tis better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you're a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt" (same goes for a foolish written post )

Oh, course I disagree with you. I am a proud Army Veteran and Man of Faith. Having a family and lovingly providing for them is something that a real man does. Putting others needs before you own is a great attribute. I would sacrifice my life for my loved ones if necessary.

I personally wish it was mandated that males after high school had to do two years of military service or two years of civil service (of course this would never happen).

Women also like men who know how to work on cars, do physical labor (yard work/etc), and know how to do basic home improvement, etc.

Physical fitness (outside of distance running) such as lifting weights, resistance training, and physical work, is not a bad thing. Women like strong looking men, not men who look like that haven't eaten in months with no muscle tone. I sure Ryan Hall loves his new look.

Women are attracted to a physically fit male (It conveys masculinity and someone who may be able to protect them).

As I have stated a few times recently, there are many Beta Males on this site. A "real man" is an Alpha Male not a Beta Male. Women like a take charge type of man (not talking about a dictator type), who is not super overly sensitive (Beta Males) and one who is decisive from what I have heard from women.

I have been told that women hate Beta Males because Beta Males have traits and characteristics that are feminine and soft, which goes against Divine Order (If you are a person of faith) or Nature (if you are not a person of faith). A man can be sensitive but should not be "girly" in that sensitivity.

An Alpha male get attracted to and excited about fully mature and developed female athletes for the achievements, femininity and yes looks all the while encouraging our child prodigies (for this site).

Beta males act like perverts in their Internet stalking, starting at high school to college of former/current child prodigies (on this site), which would scare parents and maybe get the attention of Law Enforcement.

This posting will upset many on this site because it is probably speaking to them.

Oh, of course,
I disagree with you. I am a proud Army Veteran and Man of Faith. Having a
family and lovingly providing for them is something a real man does. Putting
others' needs before your own is a great attribute. I would sacrifice my life
for my loved ones if necessary.

I wish it was mandated that males after high school had to do two years of military or two years of civil service (of course, this would never happen).

Women also like men who know how to work on
cars, do physical labor (yard work/etc), and know how to do essential home
improvement etc.

Physical fitness (outside of distance running), such as lifting weights, resistance training, and physical work, is not bad. Many women like strong-looking men, men who look like they haven't eaten in months with no muscle tone. I sure Ryan Hall loves his new look.

Women are attracted to a physically fit male (It conveys masculinity and someone who may be able to protect them).

As I have stated recently, many Beta Males are on this site. A "real man" is an Alpha Male, not a Beta Male.

Women like a take charge type of man (not talking about a dictator type), who
is not super overly sensitive (Beta Males), and one who is decisive from what I
have heard from women.

I have been told that women hate Beta Males
because Beta Males have traits and characteristics that are feminine and soft,
which goes against Divine Order (If you are a person of faith) or Nature (if
you are not a person of faith). A man can be sensitive but should not be
"girly" in that sensitivity.

An Alpha male gets attracted to and excited about fully mature and developed female athletes for their achievements,
femininity and looks while encouraging our child prodigies (for this site).

Beta males act like perverts in their Internet stalking, starting at high school to college of former/current child prodigies (on this site), which would scare parents and maybe get the attention of Law Enforcement.

This posting will upset many on this site
because it probably speaks to them.

An idiot take made by an idiot on LR. Are you surprised?

Men aren't lost. They're just finally being confronted with the reality that they'll need to do more than just show up in order to find love and be successful, and it's basically the first time ever where that's been true.

Generalisations about men (or any other group) are ridiculous. People are individuals who can do and be whatever they want. If anything could be said, then I'd say society is lost. This has nothing to do with men or women.

It's kind of pathetic how many in this thread agree with the statement, especially since most are men.

I think we lack diversity of role models and opportunities for children and adolescents to explore and discover who they are. Stereotypical masculine and feminine traits are spectra; the extreme masculine ends are dominated by men, and the extreme feminine ends by women, but there's many distributions in between. I have some highly masculine traits, and some highly feminine traits. I'm competitive and take risks, but I'm also extremely empathetic, and I consider all of these to be strengths. I think men need to stop trying to be whatever idealization they have of a man, and instead try to be the best version of themselves, whether or not it conforms to typical gender roles. Take care of yourself, physically, and mentally, and try to leave things a little better than you found them.

TL;DR be yourself, get really good at being yourself, don't be a jerk

This is a weird statement. To me it seems women always were the ones to just need to "show up" to find love.

Is there any personality trait desirable for men but not for women (and vice versa)?

This is a genuine question, BTW.

Real men write and rewrite arbitrary definitions of masculinity and then gatekeep them so that they can maintain their position in the social structure without having to outcompete any challengers for their niche

No

But there are personality traits that are more important for men than for women and vice versa.

important in what sense? Important for individual happiness? Importance to community stability? Importance to their running career?

But the entire list is still idiotic, and bizarrely so, not the kind where you can even sense some consistent principles behind it. It looks like a list designed so as to vaguely target poor working class conservative men.

For every point made in this article one could make an equally valid one in a "Women are lost. Here's a map out of the wilderness" article.

"Toxic masculinity" - "retributive toxic feminism"

"Men can't positively emote" - "Women weaponize terms they learn in therapy"

These opinion pieces more and more resemble a "whoever gets the first jab in wins the fight" situation and reek of stereotyping a group of people based on the select actions of a select sample group. I mean the author is an African American woman, if we really want to play that game I am sure there could be a very clear path to painting a grim picture of African American women and their map out of the "wilderness".

It's an opinion piece. Ms/Mrs Emba is entitled to her opinion and it doesn't mean it's right. People need to learn and understand that subtle nuance.

Today's male rocks stars sing in a high voice, autotuned, wearing skinny pants and women's clothes. They worry about pronouns and eat vegan meals.

Compare this to actual male role model rock stars of the past who chain smoked marlboros, wore leather jackets and torn clothes, had sex with a different woman every night and were frequently thrown in jail.