We merged two threads on the same subject into 1. The original thread was entitled, "Mo Katie closes in 1:47.1 to run 3:36, winning euro team champs." We merged it with this thread which was started by LRC's Rojo.
The so called 'official splits' are wrong. Over the years many published splits have been wrong!
With this race, you only have to go to the link, watch the race and time the last 800m. It doesn't help that there is a residual error of about 0.6secs. So when Katir finishes the race, the torso crosses the line at 3:36.3, but the clocks carries on and stops at 3:36.9*
So you have to take that into consideration when calculating splits if using what they claim.
If you look at the video Katir's torso is over the finish line at 1:47.8, and he finishes (according to the running clock) in 3:36.3, giving him a last 800m of 1:48.5 NOT 1:47.1. If we notice a 0.6 time lag at the end of the race, then we have to calculate in a 700m split of 1:48.4 (1:47.8 + 0.6), which still gives a lst 800m of 1:48.5.
I then timed the last 800m with a stopwatch and got 1:48.6, so 1:48.5 is certainly the right figure and it was nowhere near 1:47.1. I got his 1100m split as 2:43.0 ( as per the onscreen clock - which would mean more like 2:43.6).
I calculate that Katir's splits would be - 1:48.4, 2:43.6, 3:36.9, which = 55.2, 53.3 = 1:48.5
Yeah, I acknowledged the splits were wrong like 4 comments after that, my friend. I should have known immediately based on the on screen clock and also just how unbelievable that so many guys would have been closing in 1:47-1:48. Unfortunately there will forever be articles citing that 1:47.1 figure like it’s a fact.
On some other things that have come up on this thread:
- There are at least 4-5 guys who can run within 5-7 seconds of Jakob at 2 miles: Girma, Katir, Kiplimo, Kejelcha, Cheptegei…
- Bile didn’t need to be in 3:28 shape, like Rui Silva wasn’t in 3:28 shape in Athens. Bile was probably in 1:43.5/3:30 shape that day and a 5k-paced warmup followed by an 800 race suited the type of runner he was.
- Someone answered Morceli to the question of who could beat Bile in that particular race, and that’s exactly what I thought. If we’re assuming the runner hits 700m at the same time as Bile, Morceli is the only guy I’m sure could have beaten him (with several other maybes).
" - There are at least 4-5 guys who can run within 5-7 seconds of Jakob at 2 miles: Girma, Katir, Kiplimo, Kejelcha, Cheptegei…"
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I see no evidence that Cheptegei is on the same level time wise as the 4 other mentioned.
He hasn´t been able to replicate his WRs in 2020.
On the other hand: If he can´t his WR shape he will more or less be on the same level as Jakob
Yeah, I acknowledged the splits were wrong like 4 comments after that, my friend. I should have known immediately based on the on screen clock and also just how unbelievable that so many guys would have been closing in 1:47-1:48. Unfortunately there will forever be articles citing that 1:47.1 figure like it’s a fact.
On some other things that have come up on this thread:
- There are at least 4-5 guys who can run within 5-7 seconds of Jakob at 2 miles: Girma, Katir, Kiplimo, Kejelcha, Cheptegei…
- Bile didn’t need to be in 3:28 shape, like Rui Silva wasn’t in 3:28 shape in Athens. Bile was probably in 1:43.5/3:30 shape that day and a 5k-paced warmup followed by an 800 race suited the type of runner he was.
- Someone answered Morceli to the question of who could beat Bile in that particular race, and that’s exactly what I thought. If we’re assuming the runner hits 700m at the same time as Bile, Morceli is the only guy I’m sure could have beaten him (with several other maybes).
" - There are at least 4-5 guys who can run within 5-7 seconds of Jakob at 2 miles: Girma, Katir, Kiplimo, Kejelcha, Cheptegei…"
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I see no evidence that Cheptegei is on the same level time wise as the 4 other mentioned.
He hasn´t been able to replicate his WRs in 2020.
On the other hand: If he can´t his WR shape he will more or less be on the same level as Jakob
.......On the other hand: If he can find his................
" - There are at least 4-5 guys who can run within 5-7 seconds of Jakob at 2 miles: Girma, Katir, Kiplimo, Kejelcha, Cheptegei…"
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I see no evidence that Cheptegei is on the same level time wise as the 4 other mentioned.
He hasn´t been able to replicate his WRs in 2020.
On the other hand: If he can´t his WR shape he will more or less be on the same level as Jakob
Yeah, I hesitated to include Cheptegei as the 5th in my “at least 4-5”. The thing is, 5-7 seconds in a 2-mile is quite a lot, so Cheptegei could be in 7:59-8:01 shape and not close to beating Jakob in a 5k. Plus, while I doubt he’ll ever regain World Record form, he’s still been good enough to win global championships in each of the last two years and he ran pretty well in Florence - 12:53 with a 2:24 last K.
Cram has won in 3:31.43 two weeks before in Zürich. He still led at 1340m while running close to his limit. Then he was passed by Bile who run with incredible ease.
Open the “Athletics career” tab and scroll down to the paragraph that begins “In 1987”. Even the commentators of the World Championship final (one of whom is Frank Shorter) seem aware that it’s not Cram at his best.
The simple fact that Cram finished in 8th, a second behind Michael Hillardt, is proof that beating him in that race is not like beating 1985 Cram.
Cram lost his shine the whole season 1987. We can clearly see it here in Oslo in the last 400m:
Steve Cram scorching round the track to a superfast 1500m time of 3:30.15 at the Ivo Van Damme Memorial Meeting at Brussels in 1986.Commentators - David Cole...
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