Karsten Warholm was very appreciative of Kevin Young.
I believed they appeared together on tv.
The difference is Karsten is a high-quality person.
Jakob is being rude about a guy who ran better without any of the advantages of the current era. The real GOAT, which Jakob knows by now he will never be.
Nope. One gold and likely doped WRs. Yes, he dominated the circuit for years, but it was the weakest period in history as most of the non African world had given up. Look at the incredible talent emerging now outside of Africa now that they feel on a level playing field again. El G dominated the Maghreb and the Rift Valley (and still lost two Olympic finals).
1. Seb Coe
2. Herb Elliott
3. Jakob
4. Peter Snell
5. Steve Cram
6. Steve Ovett
7. John Walker
8. Jim Ryun
9. Nick Willis
10 = Bannister/Bayi
El G has 7/9 and 12/25 of the fastest performances ever. Coe has 1/500.
What's the point of such a stupid list?
Coe has two 1500m Olympic golds. The times are irrelevant given the EPO era and the fact that Coe had 2 or 3 paced 1500m races on the circuit each year, and El G had 7 or 8.
And as for 'there is no evidence El G doped', we know for certain that he benefited from doped training partners.
Jakob dominates Coe now on the fast times list, but surely you accept it is still a reasonable debate as to whether Jakob is a greater 1500m runner than Coe at this stage?
El G has 7/9 and 12/25 of the fastest performances ever. Coe has 1/500.
What's the point of such a stupid list?
Coe has two 1500m Olympic golds. The times are irrelevant given the EPO era and the fact that Coe had 2 or 3 paced 1500m races on the circuit each year, and El G had 7 or 8.
And as for 'there is no evidence El G doped', we know for certain that he benefited from doped training partners.
Jakob dominates Coe now on the fast times list, but surely you accept it is still a reasonable debate as to whether Jakob is a greater 1500m runner than Coe at this stage?
The times are not irrelevant. You explain 12/25 compared to 1/500 by more paced races from El G?
At the moment Coe is ahead of Jakob (no WRs). If Jakob wins in Paris, it's extremely close between them.
El G is so far ahead to them that it's comical to have a debate about this.
And again, even if you believe the incredible notion that El G didn't dope, he benefitted from being in races in which other runners were on EPO, and no doubt often the pacemakers. You'll agree that El G had better 1500m pacemakers than James Robinson? El G had 2 or 3 pacemakers who would be able to take him to the final bell. Coe had James Robinson who would go off at 1000m WR pace then drop out after 800m.
I'm sorry, but the full throttle EPO era was such a crazy period, it should be treated like a unique bubble, almost a different sport. You can't compare the athletes in that period with any other period, and certainly not by times.
El G has 7/9 and 12/25 of the fastest performances ever. Coe has 1/500.
What's the point of such a stupid list?
Coe has two 1500m Olympic golds. The times are irrelevant given the EPO era and the fact that Coe had 2 or 3 paced 1500m races on the circuit each year, and El G had 7 or 8.
And as for 'there is no evidence El G doped', we know for certain that he benefited from doped training partners.
Jakob dominates Coe now on the fast times list, but surely you accept it is still a reasonable debate as to whether Jakob is a greater 1500m runner than Coe at this stage?
Sebastian Coe was a better 1500m runner than Jakob has been so far. This is not really open for discussion among the intelligent. Coe would sit on Jakob and destroy him with his 1:41 speed. Coe would likely be a 3:26xx runner on today’s tracks in today’s footwear. Jakob would defeat Sebastian at distances above 2000m though.
And again, even if you believe the incredible notion that El G didn't dope, he benefitted from being in races in which other runners were on EPO, and no doubt often the pacemakers. You'll agree that El G had better 1500m pacemakers than James Robinson? El G had 2 or 3 pacemakers who would be able to take him to the final bell. Coe had James Robinson who would go off at 1000m WR pace then drop out after 800m.
I'm sorry, but the full throttle EPO era was such a crazy period, it should be treated like a unique bubble, almost a different sport. You can't compare the athletes in that period with any other period, and certainly not by times.
El G was much faster over 1500m than Coe, not because of the pacemakers but because of extremely better endurance (12:50 / 14 minutes). Robinson has not gone off at 1k WR pace, liar.
I don’t think there was anything wrong with what he said. He probably isn’t much of a fan of his. Put it this way Jakob was born in 2000, not like he was watching those races
I was just watching the 1999 World Champs 1500 meters and El G has the smoothest stride. He has no reason to be cocky as he is not on El G's level. El G would beat Jacob 10/10 times.
Jakob has a way faster shoes and tracks than El G's era did.
Why your little "genius" and his father are blocked?
Do you think anyone can run 1:41 on the 800m? even if he train days and nights with sufficient "lactate thresholds" sessions? or anyone is like Komen that rise suddenly and run 7:20 in the 3000m in one year of training?
Jakob has a way faster shoes and tracks than El G's era did.
Why your little "genius" and his father are blocked?
Do you think anyone can run 1:41 on the 800m? It's irrelevant to our conversation but let me bring up a different comparison.
Jakob has fast shoes and tracks. El G had EPO with no testing, it evens out. Plus, why do you act like 1999 was 70 years ago? El G ran on fast tracks too.
Check out the BALCO scandal and it's significance and you'll know for sure it is facts. Most of the fastest times were run in the 90s then all of a sudden, they stop and slow down?
As for Shoes and Tracks. I'm not the biggest fan of them as well of Track in general. Much more Interested in road races. But, It's a get out of jail free card. If he can run the time, he can run it. It's ignorant to compare two people who raced in separate eras. Times are meant to be broken and Jakob is currently the King of Middle Distance running. His Two Mile pace was faster than El G's 3000m - Just a testament to his strength.
Why your little "genius" and his father are blocked?
Do you think anyone can run 1:41 on the 800m? even if he train days and nights with sufficient "lactate thresholds" sessions? or anyone is like Komen that rise suddenly and run 7:20 in the 3000m in one year of training?
Komen was double world junior champ in 1994, so no he didn’t come out of nowhere whatsoever. And he was part of a remarkable training group so he didn’t get to 7:20 overnight. He ran 12:56 in 1995, so even his ‘96 while incredible and unusual (missing the Olympics due to 4th place in Trials) it was not that sudden a rise.
Check out the BALCO scandal and it's significance and you'll know for sure it is facts. Most of the fastest times were run in the 90s then all of a sudden, they stop and slow down?
AFAIK 12:35 in the 5000m was recorded in the 90s?
or the 6 guys that run 3:29low were recorded in the 90s?
or the 10 guys under 13 mins in the Florence were in the 90s?