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Mods. Why are you letting this racist hate stand? We know this site skews alt-right but this is literal hate speech.
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jacksprat wrote:
Come on Reky, admit it. There's problems out there in running land. A truck load of Kenyans have been done for the gear. Like I said previously, big fish, small fish. Do the exact numbers and semantics really matter? Despite all the angst and arguing they are still producing cheats at a regular rate; pop pop pop. Lord Coe and the other bureaucrats will be forced to act eventually. How do you solve a problem like Maria?
Sure there are problems in Kenya. Also in Russia, India, China, Italy, France, Germany, USA, Morocco, Kazahkstan, Brazil, Chile, etc. If exact numbers don't matter, why single out Kenya?
I don't know what Maria's problem is but prevention programs and education of athletes/pharmacists/doctors are two ways to improve the problems in Kenya.
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El Keniano wrote:
NYDCRunner1 wrote:
Isn't it about time Kenya got banned or at a minimum placed on probation?
For what? Proving anti-doping works? Makes sense. It's the countries that don't catch anyone you should be worried about.
So Kenyan anti-doping works?
Who did they bust?
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Armstronglivs wrote:
WA said it was "40% of total positives" in the sport. There was no suggestion that there was a whole bunch of athletes that weren't accounted for and should have been, which would undermine Coe's claim.
You are like a member of a weird religious cult. Everything is distorted to fit into your ideology - as mad and wrong as it is.
The President of World Athletics would reasonably be expected to report on testing performed within World Athletics. There is similarly no suggestion he would report outside his organization.
World Athletics performs about 20% of testing (18% in 2021) for "the sport".
We will see in about a year if WADA reports confirms your interpretation of Coe's statement to the press.
My "ideology" is formed around officially published data, in the context it was collected, considering the caveats by the data collectors. It's telling you think that that is "mad" and "wrong".
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Loppas wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
For what? Proving anti-doping works? Makes sense. It's the countries that don't catch anyone you should be worried about.
So Kenyan anti-doping works?
Who did they bust?
In the 6 months between July 2022, and Jan 2023, ADAK suspended these athletes:
Samuel Lomoi, Agatha Jeruto, Esther Chesang Kakuri, Everlyne Syombua, Lydia Simiyu, Mathew Sawe, Alice Aprot, Vincent Kiplangat, Michael Saruni, Stellah Barsosio, Kumari Taki, Gloria Kite, Georgina Rono, Priscilla Tabunda
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rekrunner wrote:
Loppas wrote:
So Kenyan anti-doping works?
Who did they bust?
In the 6 months between July 2022, and Jan 2023, ADAK suspended these athletes:
Samuel Lomoi, Agatha Jeruto, Esther Chesang Kakuri, Everlyne Syombua, Lydia Simiyu, Mathew Sawe, Alice Aprot, Vincent Kiplangat, Michael Saruni, Stellah Barsosio, Kumari Taki, Gloria Kite, Georgina Rono, Priscilla Tabunda
Suspended, yes. After the AIU caught them!
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Loppas wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
In the 6 months between July 2022, and Jan 2023, ADAK suspended these athletes:
Samuel Lomoi, Agatha Jeruto, Esther Chesang Kakuri, Everlyne Syombua, Lydia Simiyu, Mathew Sawe, Alice Aprot, Vincent Kiplangat, Michael Saruni, Stellah Barsosio, Kumari Taki, Gloria Kite, Georgina Rono, Priscilla Tabunda
Suspended, yes. After the AIU caught them!
I don't think the AIU was involved.
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rekrunner wrote:
Loppas wrote:
Suspended, yes. After the AIU caught them!
I don't think the AIU was involved.
Well, the AIU is always involved as they oversee or help shape everything. That being said those were athletes banned in ADAK testing. And it seems a lot of them were at domestic meets or were athletes who may have been targeted.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
I don't think the AIU was involved.
Well, the AIU is always involved as they oversee or help shape everything. That being said those were athletes banned in ADAK testing. And it seems a lot of them were at domestic meets or were athletes who may have been targeted.
The AIU criticized Athletics Kenya for not publishing the names. They were effectively shadow banning athletes.
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Coevett wrote:
The AIU criticized Athletics Kenya for not publishing the names. They were effectively shadow banning athletes.
I mean they more let them know that they were unnecessarily waiting to disclose the names while they were provisionally and not officially suspended. I know your move is to take the most negative POV on this possible ha.
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Correct - that was really ADAK. But they weren't all suspended between July 2022 and Jan 2023, see
Lomoi: Nov 2021
Jeruto: Mar 2022
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In parallel the AIU banned high-caliber athletes like Cherono, Gachaga, Kacheran, Kipserem, Kipyokei, Kisorio, Korio and Renju (all in 2022), and about twice that many lesser known athletes.
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rekrunner wrote:
The President of World Athletics would reasonably be expected to report on testing performed within World Athletics. There is similarly no suggestion he would report outside his organization.
World Athletics performs about 20% of testing (18% in 2021) for "the sport".
We will see in about a year if WADA reports confirms your interpretation of Coe's statement to the press.
My "ideology" is formed around officially published data, in the context it was collected, considering the caveats by the data collectors. It's telling you think that that is "mad" and "wrong".
Hard to say what the truth here is. The BBC for example stated:
"when it comes to athletics, 40% of those currently serving bans are Kenyan."
If correct, that would include all banned athletes, and not just those caught by the AIU and not just those from 2022 either.
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women's steeple should have higher barriers.
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consistency wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
The President of World Athletics would reasonably be expected to report on testing performed within World Athletics. There is similarly no suggestion he would report outside his organization.
World Athletics performs about 20% of testing (18% in 2021) for "the sport".
We will see in about a year if WADA reports confirms your interpretation of Coe's statement to the press.
My "ideology" is formed around officially published data, in the context it was collected, considering the caveats by the data collectors. It's telling you think that that is "mad" and "wrong".
Hard to say what the truth here is. The BBC for example stated:
"when it comes to athletics, 40% of those currently serving bans are Kenyan."
If correct, that would include all banned athletes, and not just those caught by the AIU and not just those from 2022 either.
Yes, it's hard to say what's the truth here without more info about what was counted. Here Coe only gave a verbal statement at a press-conference, with very little context, and reporters recorded and reported it 4 or 5 different ways.
The BBC (Lynne Wachira, BBC Africa) is now reporting something else "serving bans", while Coe reportedly said "doping positives".
It's not clear what the BBC counted here either, but the AIU currently lists some 550 ineligible athletes, and only 67 of them are Kenyan. That is around 12% of the AIU's global list of ineligible persons.
Anyone who has ever played the Telephone Game as a child knows what is going on here.
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consistency wrote:
Correct - that was really ADAK. But they weren't all suspended between July 2022 and Jan 2023, seeLomoi: Nov 2021
Jeruto: Mar 2022
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In parallel the AIU banned high-caliber athletes like Cherono, Gachaga, Kacheran, Kipserem, Kipyokei, Kisorio, Korio and Renju (all in 2022), and about twice that many lesser known athletes.
Thanks for the clarification of some of the dates. I was going off another article that said "Shibutse said since the start of their calendar in July last year, they have suspended 20 sportsmen and women ...". Another example showing the need to go straight to an officially published source, rather than taking the reported statement of the CEO at face value -- in this case ADAK CEO Sarah Shibutse.
Listing suspended athletes at all is something new, following 2021 rule changes, and making sure they got through legal and appeals processes.
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rekrunner wrote:
jacksprat wrote:
Come on Reky, admit it. There's problems out there in running land. A truck load of Kenyans have been done for the gear. Like I said previously, big fish, small fish. Do the exact numbers and semantics really matter? Despite all the angst and arguing they are still producing cheats at a regular rate; pop pop pop. Lord Coe and the other bureaucrats will be forced to act eventually. How do you solve a problem like Maria?
Sure there are problems in Kenya. Also in Russia, India, China, Italy, France, Germany, USA, Morocco, Kazahkstan, Brazil, Chile, etc. If exact numbers don't matter, why single out Kenya?
I don't know what Maria's problem is but prevention programs and education of athletes/pharmacists/doctors are two ways to improve the problems in Kenya.
According to Coe, Kenya far outstrips any of those other nations you list. Kenya isn't simply one in the crowd of dopers. The issue of a ban wouldn't have arisen if it was (and Kenya Athletics expected a ban last year). Coe has said they have to "clean up their sport".
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rekrunner wrote:
consistency wrote:
Hard to say what the truth here is. The BBC for example stated:
"when it comes to athletics, 40% of those currently serving bans are Kenyan."
If correct, that would include all banned athletes, and not just those caught by the AIU and not just those from 2022 either.
Yes, it's hard to say what's the truth here without more info about what was counted. Here Coe only gave a verbal statement at a press-conference, with very little context, and reporters recorded and reported it 4 or 5 different ways.
The BBC (Lynne Wachira, BBC Africa) is now reporting something else "serving bans", while Coe reportedly said "doping positives".
It's not clear what the BBC counted here either, but the AIU currently lists some 550 ineligible athletes, and only 67 of them are Kenyan. That is around 12% of the AIU's global list of ineligible persons.
Anyone who has ever played the Telephone Game as a child knows what is going on here.
Yep. True to form "40%' is reduced to "12%". The denier at work.
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rekrunner wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
WA said it was "40% of total positives" in the sport. There was no suggestion that there was a whole bunch of athletes that weren't accounted for and should have been, which would undermine Coe's claim.
You are like a member of a weird religious cult. Everything is distorted to fit into your ideology - as mad and wrong as it is.
The President of World Athletics would reasonably be expected to report on testing performed within World Athletics. There is similarly no suggestion he would report outside his organization.
World Athletics performs about 20% of testing (18% in 2021) for "the sport".
We will see in about a year if WADA reports confirms your interpretation of Coe's statement to the press.
My "ideology" is formed around officially published data, in the context it was collected, considering the caveats by the data collectors. It's telling you think that that is "mad" and "wrong".
He is not reporting about his "organisation" but his "sport". I know you can't tell the difference.
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