What region/state, what is the criteria for "adverse outcome", and is this data or some data product publicly available?
The data is available in aggregate of course. The data points the CDC wanted (which was not as robust as our state data) was sent on a daily basis. The data on my sub demo is not publicly available anywhere to my knowledge. Similar research was published on demo risk and risk factors though. Significant amount of data(but not all that was collected) is still publicly available on the PH website. The level of detail is granular though. Data like that is likely where a couple of these posters get their information (or from the 24hour cable shows). If the vaccination campaign we developed came from the granular data, our campaign would have had to be more of a shot gun approach and would not have been as effective as it was. We had better outcomes than most states.
What? Early Vaccination campaigns were stratified basically exclusively on the basis of age and certain comorbidities. Everyone did this because those are the most important risk factors.
If you allege that your jurisdiction had a more complicated vaccination roll out program AND that such a program produced better outcomes… I’d love to see evidence of that!
Of course “we should prioritize shots to those most at risk when shots are scarce” is a completely different argument than “I don’t need a vaccine because the risk:reward is not beneficial.
Rather impressively bold (dumb?) attempt to pass off support for the first as support for the second.
The data is available in aggregate of course. The data points the CDC wanted (which was not as robust as our state data) was sent on a daily basis. The data on my sub demo is not publicly available anywhere to my knowledge. Similar research was published on demo risk and risk factors though. Significant amount of data(but not all that was collected) is still publicly available on the PH website. The level of detail is granular though. Data like that is likely where a couple of these posters get their information (or from the 24hour cable shows). If the vaccination campaign we developed came from the granular data, our campaign would have had to be more of a shot gun approach and would not have been as effective as it was. We had better outcomes than most states.
Come on man. I think it’s valuable that you had this learning experience and finally got to feel agency/expert status. But this kind of dialogue isn’t useful. If you’re going to throw out numbers to just your point (which you still won’t clarify what it even is) you need to source those! Please!
A few of us have been slicing and dicing COVID numbers and studies for 3 years now. We like this stuff! don’t be shy.
Seriously?
You and that other boomer don’t seem like guys who would show up on my doorstep or anything. 🤦♂️ There’s nothing I’d like better than for some other wacko (not you of course, you seem very stable lol) doxxing me.
You don’t know my point because you’ve thrown several straw men out making arguments I never made. I know you boomers have bad memories, but come guy.
The data is available in aggregate of course. The data points the CDC wanted (which was not as robust as our state data) was sent on a daily basis. The data on my sub demo is not publicly available anywhere to my knowledge. Similar research was published on demo risk and risk factors though. Significant amount of data(but not all that was collected) is still publicly available on the PH website. The level of detail is granular though. Data like that is likely where a couple of these posters get their information (or from the 24hour cable shows). If the vaccination campaign we developed came from the granular data, our campaign would have had to be more of a shot gun approach and would not have been as effective as it was. We had better outcomes than most states.
What? Early Vaccination campaigns were stratified basically exclusively on the basis of age and certain comorbidities. Everyone did this because those are the most important risk factors.
If you allege that your jurisdiction had a more complicated vaccination roll out program AND that such a program produced better outcomes… I’d love to see evidence of that!
Of course “we should prioritize shots to those most at risk when shots are scarce” is a completely different argument than “I don’t need a vaccine because the risk:reward is not beneficial.
Rather impressively bold (dumb?) attempt to pass off support for the first as support for the second.
So you think vaccination campaigns ended with the initial rollout? 🤦♂️
“ok guys. Everyone is now eligible. Pack it up. We’re done.”
And you make fun of marketing??? You have a lot to learn.
lmao you gotta love this place. The moment a major development occurs, the usual vaxxtards come running in to desperately defend their masters and justify their own idiocy.
As if this new CDC messaging is happening in a vacuum, as if countries around the world haven't completely 180'd, as if govt. data is not now undeniably showing the 'vaccines' are a disaster.
but hey, vaxxtards gonna vaxxtard!
+1
Also, their clown narrative completely collapsed. this haramb/2600 idiots is the same person. Prolly just woke up from his vaxx induced coma
Can't change stupid though. I don't think this damaged clown understands that for most of us, all we hear is derr derr derr when he/it pipes up.
Asking you what your argument is… is not a straw man.
Humor me. I am too old/stupid etc to get your thesis here :) whatever you wanna hear!
Based on the data point you provided. You think not getting vaccinated is the correct choice? Yes?
Just trying to define our discussion.
Why, after several of pages and dozens of posts, are you suddenly interested in what my point is?
Why not address it pages ago? Too busy posting straw men?
Because you never really had a point?
You've gone from
1) I didnt get vaccinated and I am ok - valid, but doesnt contribute much
2) trying to argue that absolute risk of some demographics made vaccination not recommended - not valid, as relative risk defines the "recommendation."
3) I am privy to secret information I won't share that makes my calculus accurate and others wrong - valid, but useless?
I am very interested in your argument! Please let me know.
Come on man. I think it’s valuable that you had this learning experience and finally got to feel agency/expert status. But this kind of dialogue isn’t useful. If you’re going to throw out numbers to just your point (which you still won’t clarify what it even is) you need to source those! Please!
A few of us have been slicing and dicing COVID numbers and studies for 3 years now. We like this stuff! don’t be shy.
Seriously?
You and that other boomer don’t seem like guys who would show up on my doorstep or anything. 🤦♂️ There’s nothing I’d like better than for some other wacko (not you of course, you seem very stable lol) doxxing me.
You don’t know my point because you’ve thrown several straw men out making arguments I never made. I know you boomers have bad memories, but come guy.
Why does it upset you so much that I am right?
I honestly cant figure out what this post means.
I was just asking for a source of the data you provided: 0.3/100,000 severe outcomes and 0 deaths. Pretty easy!
What? Early Vaccination campaigns were stratified basically exclusively on the basis of age and certain comorbidities. Everyone did this because those are the most important risk factors.
If you allege that your jurisdiction had a more complicated vaccination roll out program AND that such a program produced better outcomes… I’d love to see evidence of that!
Of course “we should prioritize shots to those most at risk when shots are scarce” is a completely different argument than “I don’t need a vaccine because the risk:reward is not beneficial.
Rather impressively bold (dumb?) attempt to pass off support for the first as support for the second.
So you think vaccination campaigns ended with the initial rollout? 🤦♂️
“ok guys. Everyone is now eligible. Pack it up. We’re done.”
And you make fun of marketing??? You have a lot to learn.
The guy arguing that the vaccine is not recommended for everyone thinks their marketing campaigns were valuable?
Hate to say it but if your marketing ideas involved telling people not the get that vaccine — that was a net harm and this is why we leave the stats to the quantitative folk.
If it didn’t involve that - you and I simply agree. Everyone should have gotten the vaccine. Glad we could clear that up.
lmao you gotta love this place. The moment a major development occurs, the usual vaxxtards come running in to desperately defend their masters and justify their own idiocy.
As if this new CDC messaging is happening in a vacuum, as if countries around the world haven't completely 180'd, as if govt. data is not now undeniably showing the 'vaccines' are a disaster.
but hey, vaxxtards gonna vaxxtard!
+1
Also, their clown narrative completely collapsed. this haramb/2600 idiots is the same person. Prolly just woke up from his vaxx induced coma
Can't change stupid though. I don't think this damaged clown understands that for most of us, all we hear is derr derr derr when he/it pipes up.
Lifelong increase in all cause deaths risk. Lifelong risk of autoimmune issues from COVID. inferior antibody and T cell responses
All fixed by vaccination.
But hey, your choice, wish you and your family the best.
You and that other boomer don’t seem like guys who would show up on my doorstep or anything. 🤦♂️ There’s nothing I’d like better than for some other wacko (not you of course, you seem very stable lol) doxxing me.
You don’t know my point because you’ve thrown several straw men out making arguments I never made. I know you boomers have bad memories, but come guy.
Why does it upset you so much that I am right?
I honestly cant figure out what this post means.
I was just asking for a source of the data you provided: 0.3/100,000 severe outcomes and 0 deaths. Pretty easy!
Let’s start with you getting the stat right next time. 😂 At what age did your mental capacity start to go, boomer?
Killed 300k Americans. Caused almost all the variants. Lost massive elections in 2022. Greatly increased their all cause death risk for years to come. Bankrupted their families after losing their jobs.
You put down the marketing guy, but this is where you need him. Our focus groups responded poorly to negative campaigns.
You're learning a lot lately. Aren’t you glad I’m here. 👍
The marketing guy who thinks they didn’t need the vaccine is probably not the guy I would turn to! Definitely not their guy who refused to stay in their lane.
To think - a few of your antivaxx posts on a random message board may have undone all your hard work driving uptake
You put down the marketing guy, but this is where you need him. Our focus groups responded poorly to negative campaigns.
You're learning a lot lately. Aren’t you glad I’m here. 👍
Ok 3 min of google to try and find the data you wont release :)
From CDC duringthe Omicron wave. They seem to have a few COVID-NET updates from earlier too.
1) 12-17 year old hospitalizations rose to ~6/100,000 population (NOT per 100k infections)
2) During December 2021, the monthly hospitalization rate among unvaccinated adolescents aged 12–17 years (23.5) was six times that among fully vaccinated adolescents (3.8) (per 100k).
This report describes increases in COVID-19 hospitalization rates among children and adolescents during Omicron, especially among children not yet eligible for vaccination.
You put down the marketing guy, but this is where you need him. Our focus groups responded poorly to negative campaigns.
You're learning a lot lately. Aren’t you glad I’m here. 👍
Ok 3 min of google to try and find the data you wont release :)
From CDC duringthe Omicron wave. They seem to have a few COVID-NET updates from earlier too.
1) 12-17 year old hospitalizations rose to ~6/100,000 population (NOT per 100k infections)
2) During December 2021, the monthly hospitalization rate among unvaccinated adolescents aged 12–17 years (23.5) was six times that among fully vaccinated adolescents (3.8) (per 100k).
You put down the marketing guy, but this is where you need him. Our focus groups responded poorly to negative campaigns.
You're learning a lot lately. Aren’t you glad I’m here. 👍
Ok 3 min of google to try and find the data you wont release :)
From CDC duringthe Omicron wave. They seem to have a few COVID-NET updates from earlier too.
1) 12-17 year old hospitalizations rose to ~6/100,000 population (NOT per 100k infections)
2) During December 2021, the monthly hospitalization rate among unvaccinated adolescents aged 12–17 years (23.5) was six times that among fully vaccinated adolescents (3.8) (per 100k).
You put down the marketing guy, but this is where you need him. Our focus groups responded poorly to negative campaigns.
You're learning a lot lately. Aren’t you glad I’m here. 👍
The marketing guy who thinks they didn’t need the vaccine is probably not the guy I would turn to! Definitely not their guy who refused to stay in their lane.
To think - a few of your antivaxx posts on a random message board may have undone all your hard work driving uptake
Can you point to any “antivaxx” posts made by me?
Seriously. Can you guys pop a Viagra or whatever you boomers take to get your brain kickstarted? Your reading comprehension skills are horrendous. 🤦♂️
I will try to clear up the confusion. In control is claiming that he has data that is mire specific to his situation than is available in the cdc numbers, and that the n in his data is sufficiently large to make it reliable. He is, however, unwilling to share the data because it would make it easy to id him irl.
Who knows, he might be telling the truth and be right about his data, however, for everyone other than that poster, the data sourcing is “some rando on a message board said” and thus any argument that relies on said data should be ignored.
Ok 3 min of google to try and find the data you wont release :)
From CDC duringthe Omicron wave. They seem to have a few COVID-NET updates from earlier too.
1) 12-17 year old hospitalizations rose to ~6/100,000 population (NOT per 100k infections)
2) During December 2021, the monthly hospitalization rate among unvaccinated adolescents aged 12–17 years (23.5) was six times that among fully vaccinated adolescents (3.8) (per 100k).
Ok 3 min of google to try and find the data you wont release :)
From CDC duringthe Omicron wave. They seem to have a few COVID-NET updates from earlier too.
1) 12-17 year old hospitalizations rose to ~6/100,000 population (NOT per 100k infections)
2) During December 2021, the monthly hospitalization rate among unvaccinated adolescents aged 12–17 years (23.5) was six times that among fully vaccinated adolescents (3.8) (per 100k).
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