I also know where you're talking about - Woodmore's a very nice majority black area that's basically just a country club (average income $168k, 80% black). No resident there is facing severe discrimination in their daily life.
My sister lives in Woodmore and has a discrimination suit pending at her job.
There’s only one group that claims they’re victimized enough that this will pass. You’re not getting “AP Irish American history/studies”, “AP Chinese American history/studies”, etc
I think thats a sentiment everyone can agree with.
I wonder if you anonymously polled African Americans, would they really want an AP course devoted to them?
No idea how the poll results would look, but I bet a good number are ready to move on from the past, after all, it is 2023. Many are well past the stage of victimhood.
Me personally, no, I would not want a course that puts my culture front and center under the microscope. It would feel patronizing even.
Example is the video clip from the other day where Joe Biden takes a knee in front of the Golden State Warriors...look at the reactions on their faces. It was full on cringe. They don't want white people simping for them, they don't identify as 'victims'.
It's fake and cringy and doesn't have a place in 2023.
Also, it should include the fact that Africans sold other Africans, but that never will be talked about
You mouth breathing conservatives always have the same talking points. Research the course before making ignorant statements. It reviews the rise of African kingdoms and the rise of the Atlantic slave trade, in which, yes, a lot of kingdoms were involved in capturing their enemies or innocents in the interior of the continent. Of course, the whites corrupted the continent by introducing firearms, which most kingdoms wanted. I’m sure you think your point takes all blame off the whites, despite the racist justifications they had to invent to uphold enslaving others. Most of you keep that racism up on these social media platforms. Well done.
There’s only one group that claims they’re victimized enough that this will pass. You’re not getting “AP Irish American history/studies”, “AP Chinese American history/studies”, etc
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Also, it should include the fact that Africans sold other Africans, but that never will be talked about
You mouth breathing conservatives always have the same talking points. Research the course before making ignorant statements. It reviews the rise of African kingdoms and the rise of the Atlantic slave trade, in which, yes, a lot of kingdoms were involved in capturing their enemies or innocents in the interior of the continent. Of course, the whites corrupted the continent by introducing firearms, which most kingdoms wanted. I’m sure you think your point takes all blame off the whites, despite the racist justifications they had to invent to uphold enslaving others. Most of you keep that racism up on these social media platforms. Well done.
the truth also pointed out that it was filled with CRT.
Besides, pointing out that black people enslaved each other "keeping racism up." I think revising history to create a fake "us vs them" victimology helps keep racism up on these board.
Yes. In many instances it is, especially when it has little to no math content.
Umm... have you ever read any academic journal in economics?
Who would write those stuffs if there were no undergrad econ majors? Where would Ph.D. departments in economics get their students?
Yes, I have actually. Have you ever served on a tenure committee for an economist? I have and the work they do can be amazing and highly quantitative, I agree. But there is another side to the story and we are talking about undergraduate degrees here.
As with many things, the quality of instruction depends on where it is taught and I have noticed a precipitous decline in the mathematical requirements to obtain an economics degree in the last 40 years. Concomitant with that, there has been an increase in the number of Econ majors.
You can see this same story played out with biology, chemistry, and select other social science majors that used to be more rigorous but have become less so in recent years as a result of a consumer mindset in higher ed and other trends. Look at majors and colleges that play a little game with both BA and BS degrees. I have seen schools that have chem degrees that only require calc I and calc II for a BA degree (or even worse, a one semester calc catch-all). They may offer an ACS-certified degree as a BS, but that is a minority of the students that receive a degree from them. To an outsider, all looks well, but it is not.
Math is increasingly being omitted from undergraduate degrees and Econ is definitely a ‘buyer-beware’ degree nowadays.
African American Studies has been a thing for a long time at the college level, as has American Studies.
AP generally creates courses that align with what is going on at colleges so they can make money. I apologize if that was already pointed out because I could not commit to 8 pages at the moment.
It makes no sense to have to make this move at the state level. As it is not every school offers every AP class, so only districts that wanted it would offer it, and then they still have to have/find a teacher and the minimum number of students to run the class (though of course this gets fudged sometimes).
In short, it’s a dictatorial move. Whether the class is any good or not is something each district and school should be allowed to decide. He’s a lawyer by trade right? I am wondering what evidence he has to support his maneuver as, in a classic display of hypocrisy, he is against a particular mandate yet a ban/block is the exact equivalent of a mandate.
African American Studies has been a thing for a long time at the college level, as has American Studies.
AP generally creates courses that align with what is going on at colleges so they can make money. I apologize if that was already pointed out because I could not commit to 8 pages at the moment.
It makes no sense to have to make this move at the state level. As it is not every school offers every AP class, so only districts that wanted it would offer it, and then they still have to have/find a teacher and the minimum number of students to run the class (though of course this gets fudged sometimes).
In short, it’s a dictatorial move. Whether the class is any good or not is something each district and school should be allowed to decide. He’s a lawyer by trade right? I am wondering what evidence he has to support his maneuver as, in a classic display of hypocrisy, he is against a particular mandate yet a ban/block is the exact equivalent of a mandate.
School curriculums have been an accepted upon responsibility of state leaders, as public schools are funded with taxpayer dollars. Desantis is an elected official doing what is in his authority of the position he was elected for. It's hilarious to see the left try and paint this as a governmental overreach, or even a free speech issue.
Agree with what you said. However, BA degrees often are, in my opinion, equally good as BS degrees. My concentration was CS (BA degree) and I was completely prepared for my job, and a lot of my friends did their concentration in Econ and they were prepared for the workforce
School curriculums have been an accepted upon responsibility of state leaders, as public schools are funded with taxpayer dollars. Desantis is an elected official doing what is in his authority of the position he was elected for. It's hilarious to see the left try and paint this as a governmental overreach, or even a free speech issue.
I mean, sort of. That is a broad generalization. States makes certain guidelines and then municipalities work within that and can be more or less stringent. This has nothing to do with right or left (for me) since each side is full of idiocy, hypocrisy and indecency. I’d happily debate you on it, yet since you immediately made it about party politics the chances of it being productive are slim.
For what it’s worth I’m not remotely pro CollegeBoard and I have no idea if this is a good curriculum. I mean, AP gives teachers a sample syllabus they can adopt but then the teacher doesn’t have to really adhere to that (though if they want student success on the exam, they somewhat do).
For everyone getting up in arms about CRT (and even if this class ends up sort of adhering to that), philosophically I am looking for the educational system to allow people to make informed decisions throughout life. I can read Bob Vila’s recommendation on an affordable high-pressure shower head but it’s up to me whether I want to take his recommendation. I can then look at what his criteria was, what his track record is, and maybe if he gets a kickback for linking to certain products (which doesn’t necessarily delegitimize his assessment). Then I can think about where it’s produced and how I feel ethically about what allows the cost to be affordable, etc.
Agree with what you said. However, BA degrees often are, in my opinion, equally good as BS degrees. My concentration was CS (BA degree) and I was completely prepared for my job, and a lot of my friends did their concentration in Econ and they were prepared for the workforce
I agree with you too - I have no problem with BA degrees and my original point has kind of been lost. I just don’t like to see degrees have math requirements removed. The BA/BS shenanigans are more about offering multiple versions of a degree for students that can’t handle multi variable calc and/or diff eq.
The only other thing I want to say is that I hope your degree did more than ‘prepare you for the workforce.’ That would sell you short a bit.
A few books is all anyone needs to learn about the African American story.
Can get off into the impact they made in the entertainment and sports world which is immense. Thank God they are here.
Would really miss them blues, soul, R&B. funk, sub10.00, sub20.00, NFL 1000 yard rushers. Where would the Lakers be with no Jabbar, Shaq, LeBron, Kobe, Magic?
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I think thats a sentiment everyone can agree with.
I wonder if you anonymously polled African Americans, would they really want an AP course devoted to them?
No idea how the poll results would look, but I bet a good number are ready to move on from the past, after all, it is 2023. Many are well past the stage of victimhood.
Me personally, no, I would not want a course that puts my culture front and center under the microscope. It would feel patronizing even.
Example is the video clip from the other day where Joe Biden takes a knee in front of the Golden State Warriors...look at the reactions on their faces. It was full on cringe. They don't want white people simping for them, they don't identify as 'victims'.
It's fake and cringy and doesn't have a place in 2023.
when it comes to CRT I’ll admit I have no idea what it is. I work in corporate America where a lot of this stuff is being pushed. I’ll listen. Also; I don’t want to get fired lmao.
Umm... have you ever read any academic journal in economics?
Who would write those stuffs if there were no undergrad econ majors? Where would Ph.D. departments in economics get their students?
Yes, I have actually. Have you ever served on a tenure committee for an economist? I have and the work they do can be amazing and highly quantitative, I agree. But there is another side to the story and we are talking about undergraduate degrees here.
As with many things, the quality of instruction depends on where it is taught and I have noticed a precipitous decline in the mathematical requirements to obtain an economics degree in the last 40 years. Concomitant with that, there has been an increase in the number of Econ majors.
You can see this same story played out with biology, chemistry, and select other social science majors that used to be more rigorous but have become less so in recent years as a result of a consumer mindset in higher ed and other trends. Look at majors and colleges that play a little game with both BA and BS degrees. I have seen schools that have chem degrees that only require calc I and calc II for a BA degree (or even worse, a one semester calc catch-all). They may offer an ACS-certified degree as a BS, but that is a minority of the students that receive a degree from them. To an outsider, all looks well, but it is not.
Math is increasingly being omitted from undergraduate degrees and Econ is definitely a ‘buyer-beware’ degree nowadays.
If this is the case, then the problem is not unique to economics or even social science in general. By your definition, a chemistry degree could be worthless.
However, just because your econ department doesn't require advanced econometrics for an undergrad degree, that doesn't mean you cannot take those courses. Doing the minimum necessary for the degree and barely passing most courses is likely to lead you to jobs that don't require your education. This is true about any social science major that another poster declared "worthless." A major is not worthless, students are making it worthless by not doing more than absolutely necessary.
I know where the pressure is coming from. You need to increase the headcounts and you need to improve the graduation rate to survive. Having difficult requirements discourages students from choosing your major and also lower the completion rate. That could be a disaster for the department.
BTW, some majors which used to offer only BA degrees now offer BS degrees so that students do not have to complete a certain number of foreign language courses. It goes both ways.
There’s only one group that claims they’re victimized enough that this will pass. You’re not getting “AP Irish American history/studies”, “AP Chinese American history/studies”, etc
