Males Win All Medals In New Non-Binary Category at 2022 USA Cyclocross National Championships

Because it is much easier to go from a male to a female and win

I wasn't going to engage further on this topic since I think our positions, RR, are fixed and intractable, but as promised here is the link to the full Williams Institute Study. I emailed the investigators and they immediately responded. The study has been published for over a year in the very reputable Am J of Pub Health. The website cannot provide a link to the study because it has been published by another journal.

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Gender Identity Disparities in Criminal Victimization: National Crime Victimization Survey, 2017–2018

Objectives. To estimate the prevalence of personal and household victimizations among transgender people in the United States. Methods. We analyzed pooled 2017 and 2018 data from the National Crime Victimization Survey, the f...

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You have to admit that drive to limit trans people's rights with respect to inclusion in sports and access to bathrooms etc is championed endlessly by the political right of this country. The very same politicians who oppose reproductive freedom and are on the wrong side of so many issues regarding the well being and safety of women just happen to be on the right side of this issue I guess. Majorie Taylor Green in fact is front and center on this issue, so the comparison of her views to your views is apt.

Proof that an already-competitive woman with a TUE for unknown amounts of testosterone can compete with men? Is this what inclusion looks like these days?

I was talking about men who call themselves non binary.I wasnt referring to transgender people.Most so called non binarys are usually just gay men.As for most male to female transgenders,in my experience most of them much prefer men,and very few are attracted to women.Ive only ever met one trans person who dated women.I knew another two who were pansexual,and all the many others ive met prefer men only.Im lgbtq myself,so i should know.

I would walk 500 miles and i would walk 500 more, just to be the man who walked 1000 miles to fall down at your door

He said "and win". Mosier did *ok*/poorly for age category in a few events but of the scant race results available was a full 2 hours behind the actual winner in a tri so let's not pretend that's the same as Lia Thomas et al. Also the Olympic trial mentioned in various flattering media outlets refers rather misleadingly to a 50k race walk which was a DNF and only had 15 entrants.

I'll also add that the fact that they pumped this elite female athlete full of testosterone and Mosier was still only capable of finishing averagely well or downright poorly in their *age group* (and 2 hours behind the winner) isn't the slam dunk you evidently think it is. In fact, it proves the biological advantage point beyond all doubt.

Sorry, to have misunderstood, then. But in the post of yours I was replying to you didn't make it clear that you were referring solely to males who identify as non-binary.

Just because your own experience is that most of the males who identify as trans are sexually attracted to males - and you've personally "only ever met trans one person" (by whom I assume you mean a male) who dated women - doesn't make it true that most males who identify as women today "much prefer men, and very few are attracted to women" like you say.

Since males first began medically "transitioning" in significant numbers in the 1970s, it's been well-documented that the majority have been heterosexual males in the Jan Morris, Renee Richards, Rachel Levine, Caitlyn Jenner and Lia Thomas mold. These heterosexual males have a paraphilia called autogynephilia, or AGP, which is the tendency of a male to become sexually aroused at the thought, fantasy, image of himself as female.

For more information, see the published works of sexologist and psychotherapist Ray Blanchard PhD, who coined the term autogynephilia in the 80s to describe the majority of men he saw as clinician working with men of all sexual orientations seeking "sex change" hormones and surgeries; "Men Trapped In Men's Bodies: Narratives of Autogynephilic Transsexualism" by Anne Lawrence, MD, a sexologist and heterosexual male "transsexual" who knows about AGP from the inside as Lawrence has the condition; "The Man Who Would Be Queen" by Northwestern professor J Michael Bailey, PhD; writings from the early 20th century of famous German sexologist Magnus Hirschfeld including his 1910 work “The [Male] Erotic Urge To Crossdress;" "Conservative Men in Conservative Dresses" by Amy Bloom; the many books and documentaries about AGP and male erotic cross-dressing by British artist Grayson Perry, a heterosexual man with AGP married to a woman who openly cross-dresses because he says it turns him on and gives him boners; and the many memoirs/treatises of heterosexual males who now call themselves women and have made big names for themselves in the literary and academic worlds in recent years such as Whipping Girl" by Julia Serrano, "Females" by Andrea Long Chu and "Please Miss: An Incredible Work of Staggering Penis by Grace Lavery, along with the novel "Detransition Baby" by Torrey Peters about heterosexual and bisexual so-called "transwomen" with AGP.

Also, look into "the cotton ceiling," which is a shorthand term that heterosexual trans-identified males have coined for the barriers they complain are keeping them from having sex with lesbians of the female sex. These male "transwomen" are dying to sleep with lesbians because they lust after women - and in their view nothing would "validate" their adopted identities as women as much as getting inside the knickers, beds and bodies of genuine lesbians. (The cotton in the term "cotton ceiling" refers to underpants' fabric.)

Salvatore Stichomo did not make any point about the biological advantage of male born athlete. His claim was that all trans athletes are transitioning for the purpose of gaining competitive edge. And he wrote he would concede that is not the case if a trans man wins a competition in the men's division.

Well, Mosier competed in the men's division and won. Did he transition for the sake of competitive advbantage? No, he didn't

People like yourself keep repreating the same thing over and over which is not even the topic of discussion because you have nothing else to say.

The issue I raised in posting a link to Mosier is NOT whether people born male have advantage. I will repeat that the issue is NOT whether people born male have advantage. I will repeat once again that the issue is NOT whether people botn male have advantage. Is it enough for you, or do I have to repeat it again?

The issue is whether trans athletes are transitioning for the sake of exxcelling in sports. Salvitore Stichmo presented no evidence for that. He wrote he would concede that is not the case if a trans man wins a competition in the men's division. Well, will he concede or not?

And in the meantime, I would appreciate if people like yourself stick to the subject.

Well, Mosier showed up and WON a few events in the men's division, didn't he? Does it matter what level of competition it was? NO. Salvitore Stitchmo didn't say any thing about the level of competition or the significance of the title. He only wrote "the male category."

Did Mosier win in the "male category" or not? That's the only revevant question.

Not to get too far off topic and I don't follow cycling so I just looked him up....but this Molly guy is not even trying to pretend to be a woman. And he's competing with women? And the women are okay with this? Am I missing something?

Perhaps the reason you don't know much about the fact that the majority of males who "identify as" women today are heterosexuals with AGP is because even though you are "LGBTQ" yourself, you are a male member of that community - and it sounds like you come into contact mainly with other males who are primarily attracted to males.

Unfortunately, lots of males in today's "LGBTQ" are very much in the dark about the experience of females who are L and B - in fact, many GBTQ males today are quite scornful and hostile to females who are L and B.

As a result, many males such as yourself are totally unaware of the campaign of intrusion, harassment, sexual harassment, verbal abuse and physical violence that heterosexual trans-identified males have been conducting against L and B women - but especially L women - going back to the early 1970s.

This campaign resulted in a many years-long effort of heterosexual trans-identified males to shut down the USA's largest lesbian event - the Michigan Music Festival or Mich Fest - by setting up "Camp Trans" at the entrance of the private property where the festival was held, menacing and maligning the lesbians attending, and terrorizing them by making frequent "raids" inside the festival campgrounds similar to the "panty raids" that men in college fraternities used to pull on "co-eds" and sorority houses in the 1950s and 60s.

In 2016, one of the heterosexual trans-identified males at "Camp Trans" who year after year harassed and menaced lesbians at Mich Fest and called them "exclusionary bigots" for not doing dick, Dana Rivers, brutally murdered two of the lesbians who attended the festival and their 19 year old son in Oakland, CA.

After using a variety of ploys to delay trial for years, Rivers was finally tried for these crimes in the fall of 2022, and after less than a day of deliberations, the jury unanimously found Rivers guilty of three counts of first-degree murder along with arson (after shooting and stabbing his victims, Rivers set their house on fire in an attempt to cover up the killings).

More recently, in 2022, Harvey Marcelin/Marcelin Harvey, an 83-year-old heterosexual male who began "identifying as" a woman at age 81 and has a history of rape charges going back to when he was 12 was arrested for allegedly murdering, dismembering and scattering the body parts of a (female) woman he met whilst staying in a shelter for senior-age "LGBTQ" women in NYC.

Marcelin/Harvey was placed in the women's shelter after being released from men's prison where he served nearly 50 years for the murders and rapes of two other women, one of whom he also dismembered, placing the body parts in trash bags and depositing them around a NYC park. Several female employees of the shelter said they didn't think the male convict should be placed in a women's shelter, given his history of raping and killing women, and given that his prison and parole board records show he has often expressed deep hatred of women. But the concerns of the female employees who didn't think it was safe or in the best interests of females to place Marcelin/Harvey in a women's shelter were dismissed as "transphobic" - and the women were reprimanded by their superiors for their failure to prioritize "trans inclusion" over female safety and wellbeing, which was seen as bigotry.

So for all the talk about "the LGBTQ community" as though it's cohesive and consists of people who are all in agreement and share the exact same interests and goals, the truth is that it's not really not one big happy family at all.

The majoruty are indeed attracted to women, but that's because many of them are bisexual or pansexual. Only about a quater of trans women are exclusively attracted to women. The difference might be meaningless to some people, but not to others.

A 2015 survey of roughly 3,000 American trans women showed that at least 60% were attracted to women. Of the trans women respondents 27% answered gay, lesbian, or same-gender-loving, 20% answered bisexual, 19% heterosexual, 16% pansexual, 6% answered asexual, 6% queer, and 6% did not answer.

https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS%20Full%20Report%20-%20FINAL%201.6.17.pdf

You’re missing a pretty crucial part of it.

Molly is a woman. She’s competing against women because that’s the way it should be: women compete against women.

if you’re still having trouble with this, maybe I can draw you a chart or something.

Yes please. I also need you to explain how up is down.

LOL.

Well I guess “up” and “down” describe an increase and decrease in height, respectively. However, they are relative to some kind of constant, like a specified position inside a multi-story building, or elevation about sealevel. Though I suppose if you went far enough “down,” you would pass through the center of the earth, and, if you continued in that direction, you would then be heading “up.” Away from sealevel again.

But of course, I’m dealing with a person who doesn’t acknowledge trans existence, so I’d say there’s about a 30% chance you believe the earth is flat.

I asked you to post the full text of the paper reporting the results of the Williams Institute "study" of unverified and unverifiable self-reports of being victimized that trans-identified persons made in a survey that supposedly proves your claim that males who identify as trans experience "4x the violence" - including male sexual violence such as rape and male domestic and intimate partner violence - as females whom you choose to denigrate as "cis."

I asked this so that everyone on LRC could see this "study" and the methodology and the info on which it's based for ourselves. Instead, you merely posted a link to an abstract that says even less than the press release you posted in the first place - and which I have already critiqued paragraph by paragraph in an earlier post.

I find it rich that you expect everyone on this thread to pay 30-odd US dollars to read the actual paper.

Seems to me that if you were really confident that this paper makes a thoroughly convincing case that able-bodied adult males like Lia Thomas, Emily Bridges, Molly Cameron, Hannah Mouncey, Caitlyn Jenner - and the cyclist who last weekend violently used the bike he was carrying to body-slam a female cyclist in the Women's Elite race at the USA Cyclocross Championships - really are "the most vulnerable and most victimized group society" like you allege, then you'd be champing at the bit to share what it actually says by posting the text.

BTW, the recent NHL-sponsored all-trans hockey tournament doesn't support your contention that males who identify as women are "the most vulnerable and victimized" demographic. Team Pink, which was heavily stacked with strapping "transwomen" beat the pants off all the other teams - and in the final game easily trounced Team Black, which was comprised mostly of female trans-identified players, by a score of 7-1. The score would have been more lopsided had not the males on Team Pink decided to hold back in the second half. Also, tellingly, all 8 goals scored in the final game were made by males.

Equally telling, one of the trans-identified male players without using much in the way of effort or force at all ended up knocking a trans-identified female player face-down on the ice and head-first into the boards - causing the felled female player to be concussed and carried off the ice on a stretcher and taken to hospital.

Can you really say with a straight face that the trans-identified males in that hockey tournament were the most vulnerable persons there - and the male player who decked and concussed a female player without even trying to was more vulnerable and at risk of being victimized than the female skater who ended up in the hospital with head, neck and shoulder injuries?

You mean, like the two criminals in your post do not represent "the transgender community"?

Or do you mean "transgender community" or even "transgender women / girls" are not one big happy family?